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Björn15:57:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Sport, step aside, let the adults work this out to your own benefit, too.

Ok pops, keep threatening them and writing mean comments on Telegram, I'm sure it's gonna make a difference🤣

Hans Müller15:57:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

I agree - it can be done. But what is happening here is people ranting and shoving all their frustration at @arhadd and just repeating the same points on and on and on... the team is working on what they believe is best at the moment and are sharing a monthly update. It’s a take it or leave it.

Ali, watch ... this will not be a "take it or leave it" exercise ... you have no idea of the options investors have, too..

Ali15:57:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Ali, watch ... this will not be a "take it or leave it" exercise ... you have no idea of the options investors have, too..

Better off going back to your deep slumber... especially given you have zero value-add with your comments at this stage

Ali15:58:32 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Ali, watch ... this will not be a "take it or leave it" exercise ... you have no idea of the options investors have, too..

Yes I’m sure as an “investor” in crypto, you have A LOT of options: buy more, sell more, do nothing.

Jimmy15:59:56 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

https://www.imf.org/~/media/Files/Publications/SDN/2018/SDN1808.ashx

CBDCs are definitely on the horizon as well as banks issuing their own digital currencies. MUFG of Japan, the 5th largest bank in the world will likely be issuing their own crypto currency in Q2 - Q3 of 2019.

AJ16:00:40 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Things are going to get very real

安生

安生。16:00:52 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tell me what can we do

AJ16:01:16 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But if JNT is aiming for this scale .. it ain't going anywhere for the next 10 years

AJ16:01:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It will be a long hold then

AJ16:02:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jp1818

Almost every major power is piloting trials .. Australia, Japan ,US you name it

AJ16:03:03 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Talal's response was impressive tho..

AJ16:03:50 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They don't expect world powers to directly use jUSD as their "crypto-currency"

AJ16:04:40 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rather Electronic USD/Euro can/will be backed jUSD/jEURO

AJ16:04:50 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Pure on chain models

AJ16:05:19 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Atleast that what I understood, won't mind a clarification from Talal himself

Jimmy16:06:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

Almost every major power is piloting trials .. Australia, Japan ,US you name it

Agree... I know things doesn’t look as rosy right now with Jibrel however if anyone can turn this around it’s Tala. We have a very good community manager here. Don’t burn him out

AJ16:07:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Saudis are important geographical power centress

AJ16:07:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JNT deffo has a role in Middle eastern chains

AJ16:12:54 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Remember Dubai is going to transform a lot before 2020 eoy

AJ16:13:30 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Atleast 1$ jnt would be cool by that time

Jimmy16:15:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

Atleast 1$ jnt would be cool by that time

I’ll take that! Smile 😃 🍻

AJ16:16:00 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Pure FA says so.. idk why they are waiting for the market to turn green

AJ16:16:17 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's my only criticism

K16:17:47 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

It is unfair to think we are happy and content with what we have; this is not where we want to be and this is not how we want our relationship with our tokenholders to be, and trust me we are really trying to change that.

You are talking to token holders who bought through the year, seeing old deadlines, exchanges promised, seeing Talal tell us everything will be reflected in proof of solvency 2 weeks before totally canceling it. It's not even how long it takes, it's the high expectations you guys set up during ICO and throughout 2018

AJ16:17:48 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

4chan only gets hyped when they hear their favourite shitcoin mentioned Crypto PR websites..

K16:20:02 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm a fan of your work, it's one of the most promising crypto companies out there, but you can't expect people to be patient and supportive while losing so much money thinking about what was promised and what was delivered so far

Marky16:27:58 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@arhadd why proof of solvency page is still up? It takes one minute to delete it from the web

Talal Tabbaa16:44:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello everyone! Apologies @TsarBuig if you felt that responding to a message is disrespectful. I was just clarifying that we will do both, Jibrel updates and general blockchain industry updates. You might think the general updates are useless, but you have to remember the majority of our investor base is people from the traditional financial world who wanted to get into crypto, and sharing macro level updates is something we’ve been asked on multiple occasions and helps keep our community updated on more industry- related news. As for our Jibrel updates, we will continue to do monthly and quarterly updates, and will take into consideration the community’s feedback about adding specifics/ details. It saddens me to see some are using a tone that shows clear lack of patience and understanding how financial markets work (in terms of how timing consuming processes are) . The utility of tokens, including jnt is something that grows over time, as we start to get more assets in the form of CryDRs and as blockchain platforms of different projects become more widely accepted. Our team’s commitment has not changed since day 1, and we are willing to incorporate comments that make sense. On the other hand, some comments are clearly out of context (hiring freeze, move development in-house) as its impossible to act on such suggestions without jeopardizing the business(our development is done in house already, and our hiring is based on product/ business needs). Financial institutions are slowly but surely adopting blockchain solutions, and we’ll see a lot more crypto adoption as regulations come online. Adgm for example; already has a crypto regulatory framework and we are working with them and a couple of UAE based entities and financial institutions to create a set of CryDRs. Since adgm has a crypto asset framework, we will be able to include JNT in all processes, as outlined in our white paper. The process to issue a bond in the traditional world is very time consuming (several months, maybe over a year) as it involves many parties (issuer, rating agency, custodian, paying agent, trustee, etc). So I’m sure you can imagine getting banks to issue such instruments on-chain will take time. At the moment, victor, yazan and I are actually on the way back from Abu Dhabi to Dubai; where we had meetings with the regulator, a financial institution and a financial intermediary as part of a discussion to issue on-chain securities. With the crypto-winter dragging into 2019, I appreciate that some JNT holders are frustrated, but it’s important to remember that targeting institutions is much more bureaucratic than approaching retail investors (crypto exchanges can attract normal users much faster than a company that is working to move regulated assets on-chain, as regulators are involved). I will be happy to join the Tuesday community call that Ala suggested earlier this week :) I finally want to thank supporters who have taken a more pragmatic, long-term outlook and I’m confident that we’ll be able to prove our doubters wrong.

Talal Tabbaa16:45:07 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

Talal's response was impressive tho..

Thank you :) would love to hear some constructive feedback from the Pompliano interview

AJ16:45:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Are you eyeing CBDCs ??

AJ16:46:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

Rather Electronic USD/Euro can/will be backed jUSD/jEURO

I hope I presented the crux correctly

Talal Tabbaa16:47:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

Are you eyeing CBDCs ??

Definitely - but to very frank, this is very far away from practical use at the moment

AJ16:47:15 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Couldn't agree more

Talal Tabbaa16:47:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Imagine I give my grandfather a set of private keys that he’s supposed to use to send me money

AJ16:47:28 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is more of a 2030 scenario

AJ16:47:38 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Glad you are thinking long term

Talal Tabbaa16:48:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

This is more of a 2030 scenario

We will see many iterations before that where they address central bank / bank settlement but retail usage will require a lot more time.

AJ16:48:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I would suggest if you are able to get US banks/ regulators onboard ( offshore is fine).. you are the unstoppable force then

AJ16:49:21 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yazidu7

https://www.imf.org/~/media/Files/Publications/SDN/2018/SDN1808.ashx

This report is fresh. Give it a read :D

AJ16:50:39 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

We will see many iterations before that where they address central bank / bank settlement but retail usage will require a lot more time.

I agree.. many pilots. Again it boils down to how soon World Bank /UN wants to implement this

Jimmy16:59:16 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Thank you for the update Talal. What you said about FIs slowly but surely are adopting blockchains and DLT solutions, waiting for regulatory frameworks to come online, and the time it takes for issuance of bonds are right on point! 👍 Glad to hear that Jibrel are working with a number of UAE based entities to create CryDRs. Very excited that ADGM already have regulatory frameworks in place for digital assets, this should help expedite things for Jibrel! I know some may not like the general updates that pertains the the General blockchain and crypto space. I think that’s important as this shows that Jibrel are well aware of the changes in the marketplace in different regions and jurisdictions, this also help to educate the newer investors in the crypto space.

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⚛️☯️⚛ ️Quantum Evolver ⚛️☯️⚛️16:59:48 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello

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⚛️☯️⚛ ️Quantum Evolver ⚛️☯️⚛️17:00:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can I help your project somehow?

K17:08:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Would you say the old road map shows that understanding of how financial markets work you say some don't have? Thanks for answering though, that's all we want, know you are working

Mayer17:24:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Does jcash will be on-board the Cambio Ventures Exchange?

Ricko17:31:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is every ICO and crypto now considered as a shitcoin? It sure seems so - www.shitcoinfrenzy.com

Howard18:54:08 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

postsooner

Does jcash will be on-board the kambio Ventures Exchange?

This...very curious about jcash and kambio

Ala Haddad20:03:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@postsooner Howard the partnership agreement with Kambio is still valid, their platform is still in its infancy and there are not many details, if anything regarding the partnership changes, we will keep you posted.

Howard20:06:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Thanks!

TsarBuig20:15:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Hello, thank you for this answer. It's nice to hear that you met some regulators in Abu Dhabi : this is the kind of news that you could share here, with a cool picture of you guys during your trip for instance! Personally I just want to "feel" that this project is really alive! Those last months it's not the feeling I had when I read the updates, it was too vague to be reassured

TsarBuig20:18:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Delayed to when? "On track" for when ?

TsarBuig20:18:35 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Even approximately

Mysterious20:20:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@arhadd ala don't forget to record Tuesday call with Talal. I don't think I would be able to attend :/

TsarBuig20:22:14 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Another example : we've heard Saudis and Emirates have launched a cryptocurrency --> we would have loved to have a comment from you on this, to reassure us and tell us why Jibrel is still relevant and a competitor Instead, we have a news on "why Japan will dominate crypto" : what is the link with jibrel ? https://www.trustnodes.com/2019/01/20/saudis-and-emirates-launch-a-cryptocurrency-for-banks

TsarBuig20:25:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So, yes, despite what some people said here, I think we have been really patient with us : there have been lots of delays and plans changing What we ask you now is a regular, GREAT and accurate communication, linked to Jibrel, with clear goals and roadmaps

TsarBuig21:08:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And, members of this TG : before saying we are asking too much to the team, or saying that Jibrel is a small startup etc. : don't forget that we gave them 33M$ for their ICO ! More than THIRTY MILLION dollars ! As Hans said rightly before So yes ! We can expect a lot from this team !

Sean Lo21:16:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hope they have enough left from the 33 to last a few more years. 🤔

Sean Lo21:16:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

30 mil

Support21:36:40 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Great news. Our tokens are added to the EthPro exchange. Here you can sell your tokens 170-300% more expensive. Commission = 0. Entry to EthPro Exchange: http://clc.am/fLvuqA

Chasethechaser21:50:18 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Thanks for constructive feedback Talal. Still holding firm that Jibrel is a solid long term project. Great interview with Pomp too!

Dump 24721:52:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello, Jibrel $.031 what happened??!!

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sir01:04:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Talal clearly explained what Jibrel is doing, the difficulties he encountered, and the future direction of the project. Great. It takes time for a company to grow from small to large, and it is a disruptive market. Optimistic about the future of Jibrel.

Jimmy RUssle01:10:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

> The utility of tokens, including jnt is something that grows over time, as we start to get more assets in the form of CryDRs and as blockchain platforms of different projects become more widely accepte It sure feels like the utility of this token is shrinking over time. Not having a backup plan in case solvency didn't work out was catastrphic blunder. Not being able to remove outdated info and clearly explain what we're holding out hope for does not inspire confidence at all. Jibrel could be used by every bank, business, and bathouse on Earth, it doesn't mean a thing if the token doesn't have a value propisition. I don't see how this continues to elude the team, but then again, their salaries are paid from the ICO funds. If they continue to fail to produce a use case. the least they could do is quit blaming the 'bear market'— that's just insulting at this point. Take some responsibility.

Ala Haddad03:12:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

Hey there, long time! An observation of the crypto winter was not blaming it, just identifying it as an obstacle, and the team is taking initiative and responsibility by continuing to build! Thanks for checking in 👍

Sean Lo05:48:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks for responding talal.

Dump 24707:24:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oh no i hate crypto winter

Dump 24707:24:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i hope jnt will noy go under $0.03

Denis M07:44:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dump247

i hope jnt will noy go under $0.03

Me too... But I don't hurt anymore anyways

风

风生水起07:46:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dump247

i hope jnt will noy go under $0.03

If the team has been like this, I think the winter of JNT is just beginning.

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Mr. T08:29:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i cant understand the trouble... the team grow , they give us contents and feed the community. crypto winter is good for the hole market ! now you see what kind of ico's are serious or not. 80% of the hole market is full of shitcoins without use , only to promise people to make in a few minute a lot of lambos ! and again the real world out there is turning slow and it needs a lot of patience to convince people for the next step.

TsarBuig08:45:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tingel_tangel

What content does the team gave us since a few months? Tell us (apart the wallet)

Support09:11:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Today, our tokens have been added to the large EthPro exchange. Here you have the opportunity to sell your tokens 3-4 times more expensive than on other exchanges. EthPro is the official exchange for our tokens. EthPro input: http://clc.am/Msu8HA

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AJ12:05:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/jp-morgan-is-rolling-out-the-first-us-bank-backed-cryptocurrency-to-transform-payments--.html

AJ12:05:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Talal, you are right hehe :D

AJ12:06:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Trialling as we speak

Deng13:03:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JP Morgan is rolling out the first US bank-backed cryptocurrency to transform payments business Engineers at the lender have created the "JPM Coin," a digital token that will be used to instantly settle transactions between clients of its wholesale payments business. Only a tiny fraction of payments will initially be transmitted using the cryptocurrency, but the trial represents the first real-world use of a digital coin by a major U.S. bank. While J.P. Morgan's Jamie Dimon has bashed bitcoin as a "fraud," the bank chief and his managers have consistently said blockchain and regulated digital currencies held promise.

Deng13:08:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchain and regulated digital currencies held promise.👍

Deng13:22:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone,What do you think about this news?

AJ13:22:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bullish

AJ13:22:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

We will see many iterations before that where they address central bank / bank settlement but retail usage will require a lot more time.

Prophetic lol

Hans Müller13:30:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

TALAL, I will take issue with a number of your comments and assertions as you referenced points I privately expressed to you: we do not know when and/or how .gov regs will resolve themselves or even if they will resolve themselves in a shape or manner of benefit to us ... the team has been dead wrong regarding FI regs from DAY ONE, so, for what regards "lack of understanding", I would not agree with you nor would I agree with your "lack of patience" remark ... many of us here have invested many tens of thousands with you and YAZ in the ICO and have taken not only a huge financial hit and cost of opportunity hit and are regularly ridiculed here in the TG but here we are today with as many uncertainties and total lack of utility as on DAY ONE ... further, my comments to you about hiring freeze are easy, we have absolutely no idea if or when .gov regs will break our way, so, of course, it behooves any project to make certain the burn-rate makes sense in the legal context that it is operating within, which right now, is not at all favorable ... further still, as in our DM discussion, you misunderstand my "in-house" development remark ... the dev team should be a NYC, CH, or EU-based team ... "penny wise, dollah foolish" is the saying ... surely, a finTECH project should have the best devs, I'd argue, based on results and quality, that the team Victor has asssembled is not near world-class ... and finally, the company has ~16-17cts of cash remaining from ICO ... that gives it an enormous balance sheet to leverage to "correct", "support", "floor" and "management" value while still allowing the project to proceed for years ... because, let's be frank, Sir, if this is not figured out in the next 18months or so, it will not be and/or we will have been left far, far behind to the point of being irrelevant even in MENA (where the big boys are already setting-up camp) ... let's stop defending this or that reason or rationale or using BTC price, hydrogen winter, etc., etc., excuses and go on offense and deliver us VERY patient (but getting angrier) ICO investors value for our monies ... either the promised utilitiy which was the premise and promise of the fund-raising (because we are failing the Howey Test here re S.E.C. and even FINMA) or lay out concrete steps to deliver a market price that reflects the supposed value that exists ... !

C13:34:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

If you became a blogger paid per word, you could probably make up what you lost in JNT.

Erik14:18:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Sorry to say Hans, but you're losing it, seriously. You must have put in a lot of money in order to lash out in such a way to the team. Maybe you should have invested a little bit less...in order to remain objective and calm in this currently harsh crypto times. Please stop 'demanding' things to the team and move on, please....

Arvin Eskandari14:18:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How many partnerships from early 2017 are still in the pipe?

Arvin Eskandari14:22:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

As eloquent and articulate as always. Our time will come. Who dares, Wins.

Bk 13 [$JNT]14:34:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Conor_Jerrell

If you became a blogger paid per word, you could probably make up what you lost in JNT.

+1 😅👍

nikola15:27:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Hans, cool your jets, please. I don't see how your ethnic/ racial trope re Russian developers is helping solve any problems. Anyone, even remotely connected, with programming will tell you that Russia and ex-SU, for that matter, have some first class talent when it comes to software development. I don't see a reason why would they hire team from "Western" countries for 2 times more money that will bring same results. Making an efficient programming team doesn't happen overnight and some cogs in the machine will have to be replaced on the run in order to make whole machine work better. I think that they had slower start, but things are picking up lately on that end. And, i don't doubt that they can be optimized further. I would agree with you that strategy has to be streamlined and laid put as clearly as possible in order to make all the background work fall into place. Price is what it is, and i don't like it, as well, but if you lost your faith in the team you can always sell. I apologize for the long message and wish you a good day!

Jimmy15:28:38 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/jp-morgan-is-rolling-out-the-first-us-bank-backed-cryptocurrency-to-transform-payments--.html

TsarBuig15:49:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

Guys, I love Russia (really) , but consider this : if you were a multi-billion company from UAE, or a crazily rich Chinese, would you put your money on a wallet developed by Russians? Or would you put it on TrustWallet developed by Binance? That's a real question, please answer it

Ala Haddad15:50:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@TsarBuig I don't think race has to do anything with competency, please refrain from using that as a point of reference 🙂

TsarBuig15:52:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

@TsarBuig I don't think race has to do anything with competency, please refrain from using that as a point of reference 🙂

Wtf are you talking about!? Who's talking about race? I'm just mentioning Russians are famous for hacking, that's all

Bk 13 [$JNT]15:52:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

COMMUNITY RULES: ✔️ Please write in English only. Alternative groups are available for Chinese and Korean discussion. ✔️ Respect everyone in the group and keep a civil discussion. ✔️ Repetitive unhelpful behavior and comments will result in a ban. ✔️ Keep discussion related to Jibrel and its business activities. ✔️ Excessive use of gifs and stickers will result in users being put on to read-only mode. ✔️ Deliver value to the discussion. ✔️ Share any relevant news and articles. ❗️Official team members are: @ttabbaa @Yazan15 @annabordunova and @arhadd 😉

Ala Haddad15:53:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

What are you talking about!? Who's talking about race? I'm just mentioning Russians are famous for hacking, that's all

"would you put your money on a wallet developed by Russians?" Anyway, not the point. Russians being famous for hacking should be a good thing, they know how to secure themselves against hacking as well 😉

nikola15:59:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

You can always do a security audit of every product by independent third party. Also, Chinese are known for leaving a backdoor access to their government or hackers. But, this is not the point of our conversation.

TsarBuig16:01:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

Sorry guys I thought that was the point... I think that's what Hans meant

Mysterious16:04:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I saw Hans on another crypto group. Maybe he need the money to buy what he think will have a better opportunities and he is stuck with this low price. But you can't demand the team to give back the rest of money and jeopardize jibrel in the long term as there is still a lot of ico investor who still have faith in the project and want the team to continues. Assume your decision and risk you took when invested in a startup ico...

Bk 13 [$JNT]16:04:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍

nikola16:06:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Sorry guys I thought that was the point... I think that's what Hans meant

Hans is a grown-up and he can elaborate further on what he meant to say. I will not take further part in this East vs West argument. At the end of the day, as i said, every product should be audited by independent third party to affirm security integrity.

MetaMask16:34:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MetaMask has launched a stock exchange on buying and selling tokens. Our tokens have been added to this exchange. Here you can sell tokens for 30-250% more expensive. Commission = 0. Entry to the exchange: http://clc.am/dnRX6g

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Ala Haddad17:22:38 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone, for Technology Thursdays, I would like to share a thought that I've had over the past couple of days. It seems that people within the blockchain space sometimes get too carried away with blockchain being the only focus and it being the technology that will change everything, sometimes misrepresented as it being able to change so many things on its own. This thought was sparked because of a conversation I've had with someone about the early days of the internet, where the protocols that are used today to transfer huge amounts of data were present, but were not usable due to the lack of infrastructure and devices that were able to power those protocols. I started thinking of other technologies that would converge with blockchain to create new innovations and use cases. I initially thought of the internet of things (IoT), where supply chain management can be drastically improved by incorporating internet connected packages and supplies to track location, age, movement, handling, etc- and then this information can be accessible on a blockchain that we know is immutable. Another interesting convergence would be blockchain and artificial intelligence for healthcare purposes, as used by https://doc.ai/, where people can share their health data while knowing their information is completley secure by a blockchain, but their data can be accesses to be used as reference for health resaeach. What do you all think of the current technology and with which technologies will it combine to create interesting and disruptive innovations?

Bk 13 [$JNT]17:56:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

i think that digital identity that can be integrate in many uses like health.... but i think this can be useful if is a decentealized identity... giving more control of your data and wich data you share when interact with a hospital or a bank.... you must have control like you can control apps permission on your phone.... should be good see this happening....

Petr Capek18:32:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

DNA is yours ..so DNA belongs onchain ..and if pharma and others get your DNA & biotech labors now for free..it could also be monetized for and whole genome they are paying till 70 000 $

Petr Capek18:32:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and genetics and DNA just started

Ala Haddad18:48:04 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Njeel

and genetics and DNA just started

Absolutely, there are many advancements in genomics, have you seen David Sinclair’s work on longevity?

Petr Capek18:51:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Absolutely, there are many advancements in genomics, have you seen David Sinclair’s work on longevity?

no buddy im just checking it out right now -thanks for the info

Petr Capek18:51:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its really intresting

Sean Lo21:09:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Doc.ai seems like a marketing site to me. I don't see technical details on how they keep patient's data secure other than waving a magic wand and saying encryption.

Support23:41:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Our tokens are added to the EthePro exchange. This is the only official exchange for our tokens. Within a few days, tokens will be removed from all other exchanges. At EthePro, you can sell tokens 2-4 times more expensive. Entry to the EthePro exchange: http://clc.am/kD6tQg

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灵焰

China’s poor rural population dropped to 16.6 million, a decrease of 13.86 million from the end of 2018, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

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Joseph11:42:57 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Technically, you haven’t lost anything unless you exited your position already. As far as becoming activists, it will very likely yield nothing (even in liquidation) so if you lack confidence, it is best to just exit your position with whatever price or private transaction you can find. Anyone who has invested in an early stage company should be aware of the risks and understand that any young upstart without the founder(s) is dead, so let’s not place unnecessary demands on the team. This daily telegram nonsense back and forth isn’t going turn everyone’s stake into something more valuable and is likely resulting in less productivity, not more. Why stir the pot when you know the outcome? It’s futile. There is a reason why established companies don’t hold board meetings and shareholder votes everyday. The best protection you have is to ensure orderly communication via the designated community proxy to make informed decisions and provide critical feedback for the team to navigate the business. With that said, I do agree with the community that this precipitous fall in JNT is not reflecting well on the team and I’m sure with how vocal this telegram has been, Talal and Yazan are fully aware of this. The token needs a floor and it is quite apparent that Jibrel’s first principles need to be re-evaluated... thoroughly. Some of the proposals given by the community, albeit short sighted, are valid and may even be appropriate given the situation. Obviously, in the long term, when entities like JPMorgan Chase & Co. start entering the crypto cross border transactions market there are most certainly other large players on the sidelines preparing to jump into the fray. I’m cautiously optimistic that the Jibrel is positioning themselves to benefit from this larger movement and stay laser focused on making those critical deals and advancements happen to benefit JIbrel and JNT.

Erik11:55:40 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

+1 great summary of the current situation Joseph.

Denis M12:37:22 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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José Mateos13:38:53 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What is the news on Proof of Solvency

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Ala Haddad15:48:31 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Hey Joseph, thank you for pitching in, it is a long term game and we're trying to keep building in the short term while keeping a good eye on macro and micro moves in the long term.

Dump 24716:09:29 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Ok but when entities like JP Morgan enter the game they’ll throw in millions over millions to develop their own solutions.

TsarBuig16:09:48 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So, @arhadd , after all what have been said those last days, will we be there any change in the team's communication? We have seen that several people share dissatisfaction here : did you talk about it ? What did you decide to do? Thanks

Ala Haddad16:23:03 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@TsarBuig DM'd you. I decided to keep doing more of what I'm doing, trying to be as responsive and transparent as I can with the community. Tuesday we'll have a chat with Talal where you can hear him answer your questions. If you can point out what you think I should do to help with that dissatisifcation I will be more than happy to do so 🙂

Jimmy16:25:04 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dump247

Okay but when entities like JP Morgan enter the game they’ll throw in millions over millions to develop their own solutions.

Most of the Banking Institutions World Wide have put in tens of millions to start up their blockchain departments already for the last 3 years. I’m not saying tens of millions total... literally tens of millions each. All the banks wil have their own coins. We will MUFG.USD, MUFG.YEN etc..., JPM.USD, JPM.HKD etc... Same thing applies to the central banks. The main thing is MUFG won’t be using JPM’s platform, JPM won’t be using Citibank’s platform. Interoperability across legacy platforms as well as blockchain and DLT platform that’s where companies can thrive..

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Talal Tabbaa16:59:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dilbravishla

@Yazan15 we miss u

Yazan, victor and I are actually all in Dubai at the moment for client meetings :)

Aaron16:59:29 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

very good

TsarBuig17:02:00 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Yazan, victor and I are actually all in Dubai at the moment for client meetings :)

That's good guys ! Post some pictures here ! 👍👍

TsarBuig17:02:16 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Make this channel great again

Scott Summers17:25:47 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Been burned from $.50 to $.03 on this crap so I might as well just hold on and pray I can get my money back next bullrun

TsarBuig17:30:40 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

As I told you in dm, **we need first a ROADMAP** : where and when is this project going ? We need to know where you're driving us : it's foggy now

Mysterious17:38:54 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/JibrelNetwork/comments/an608a/questions/

Mysterious17:40:13 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"Jibrel has considered burning, fee-based and other mechanics to promote the token further, these will be openly communicated once the team has finalized the short-term roadmap." These is going to be a "short term" roadmap coming

Mysterious17:41:04 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the long term (a big vague in my taste) is in the end of 2018 update

Mysterious17:41:22 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Token Utility Roadmap Jibrel will implement a staggered token utility strategy, allowing it to create JNT demand today, as well as tomorrow. Step 1: Facilitate Crypto to Fiat / Fiat to Crypto Conversions (2019): Jibrel will embed Jcash into the Jwallet, facilitating fiat to crypto and crypto to fiat conversions. Conversions will incentivize the use of JNT. Step 2: Facilitate Token to Token Exchanges (2020): Jibrel will facilitate token to token exchanges, allowing JNT to be used for discounted conversions, as Binance Coin and other exchange coins do. This includes crypto-currencies as well as tokenized assets (CryDRs). Step 3: Embed JNT into CryDRs (2021 Onwards): As more and more infrastructure becomes decentralized, Jibrel will follow suit and move to a fully decentralized system, in which JNT is embedded into CryDRs.

TsarBuig17:53:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

When will the "short term roadmap" will be released? What is the roadmap of the roadmap?? 😂😂

Mysterious18:49:03 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

When will the "short term roadmap" will be released? What is the roadmap of the roadmap?? 😂😂

When they say "soon". I imagine it's it's end of Q1 and before but who knows except the team. Maybe it's a a question you should Tuesday with Talal. A short term plan is more predictable, actionable and goal oriented. Generally it's a 1 year plan. I think that's most token holder would when to see and demand. The long term road map is the end goal plan of jibrel

Arvin Eskandari19:35:04 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Soon means stay tuned.

Mysterious20:14:37 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Pretty much that

Joseph05:27:36 - 16 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dump247

Okay but when entities like JP Morgan enter the game they’ll throw in millions over millions to develop their own solutions.

Yes, but the market is likely substantially larger and more fragmented than you can imagine. I’m sure, at some point back in the 90’s during the budding World Wide Web days, people held a similar [unfounded] fear of AOL.

Joseph05:30:33 - 16 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Today outside of a few seniors still paying for e-mail they are largely irrelevant.

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Moxsly20:48:38 - 16 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Poll Wednesday 😄

hey tried to vote on the question but I've already voted. best to actually create a new question

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Ala Haddad01:02:21 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone, hope you're all doing great this weekend, its Presidents day weekend in the US, Family Day in Canada for those abroad 🙂 I'm gonna be away for the weekend so I won't be around to respond as quickly, but just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to next Tuesday's chat with Talal , ill share more info on Monday 😉

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)01:34:34 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Thanks

Bk 13 [$JNT]10:10:10 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

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Hans Müller10:45:37 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

I am part of a multi-culti family, so, you're totally way off base conflating this with race ... pretty sick of you actually ... the point made was that the team Victor assembled has not delivered world-class, quality goods in a timely manner, actually, we have a wallet that many here in the TG and are not even satisifed with ... again, this is a finTECH company, so, at least make THAT work and work perfectly, try to be unique in an aspect, any aspect at this point, perhaps, even shaking things up and re-thinking the composition of that team ... it's not like we have much to lose at this point with ~$27mio in cash but a volumeless $5mio MC on bot- and wash-trades.

Hans Müller10:55:38 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

You take issue with my points only to agree with them ... cool ... this is not a binary choice of me being forced to sell ... nope ... investors financed this project on certain premises and promises and still more promises so we have choices and voices, regardless, whether we do not own common equity or not ... at the point of issue of our utility-payment token there was no platform or use case, not cool ... that has not changed one-full year later ... last year, I said I would wait until October and then I waited still more until seeing the comments the team put out about being at a loss ... going so far as to solicit suggestions from the TG on what to do next ... c'mon, enough is enough ... investors can voice their disappointment and dissatisfaction and make known demands for change ... why should I take the loss? No way.

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Hans Müller11:06:03 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

if you knew me you would know that I do not need to unload THIS to buy THAT ... unless, you want to describe an opportunity cost your point is not correct. Decisions were based on declared premises and promises now long undelivered ... I did my part, I (and many others) invested lots already and now the team needs to assume its decision to having accepted our monies and deliver the goods ... instead, nothing has been delivered ... nothing.

sir11:15:14 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

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K11:35:31 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

You seem a little panicked for someone who doesn't have to sell this to buy that. I have, as I'm not an "investor" like you are, and I'm the one who should panick, but at this point our hate and dissatisfaction isn't helping. We took the gamble, we lost more or less now it's a situation where we can't do anything but wait to die completely or make a rocket blazing to the moon come back

K11:36:28 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There's a thin line between resisting FUD and holding and being deluded to 0 in this market

K11:40:08 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you aren't in the "work every month to maybe have some more money to put in this token" group what are you doing voicing your frustration here? You don't even come close to our frustration

Bk 13 [$JNT]11:42:56 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey folks... Everybody has the right to speak... Just lets try to be constructive and respectful ... Just to avoid a teraphy channel 😅😅😅 just angry complains don t add to much to community...but good ideas of constructive criticisms are welcome.....

Hans Müller11:58:24 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Childish of you to conflate disappointment and dissatisfaction with hate ... investing is about making informed decisions based on premise and promise ... in this instance, tokenization ... I can assure you that my issues are shared by others here and complaints and cat-calls are dumped in my TG inbox regularly ... the point remains, there is much, much that the project can do to create investor value while still leaving the project with years and years of cash-burn ... or do you think it is "okay" to sit here forever "hoping" for change ... hope is not an investment strategy and the original investment thesis has not been delivered and is slipping away from us with accelerated speed ... no need to sit here and not voice concerns and take time to table for discussion potential options ... apropos, I would like to see an exhaustive list of potential "pivot" options one-by-one checked off and commented on by the team as to Why or Why not going to be done.

K12:14:39 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Not a native english speaker, didn't mean hate as in the worst sense of the word.

K12:19:08 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

I also realized in my short time investing that complaining won't make progress faster, as people have been complaining for a long time. Suggestions are probably welcomed and taken into account, but we don't take decisions here

K12:20:19 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If we go by the premise that the team has the best interest for token holders, they are already aware of our opinion and this is simply how it has to be done and how long it takes

K12:20:37 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We don't know better than they do

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Björn12:34:55 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans wants the team to buy his heavy bags

Hans Müller14:07:46 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

The near-eternal formula is simple: entreprenuers have a dream and investors help make that happen ... so long as value is being created things are fine but when not then ... change needed ... that change can take or come in many ways, shapes, and sizes ... we have fallen behind the others, although, having started before most with more than adequate resources ... much can be done to improve the situation as has been suggested here many times by many investors while still giving the team years and years and years to figure out what they want to do next ... regarding "knowing better than the team" or not ... you do not need to be a mechanic to know when your automobile is not functioning to manufacturer specs ... one can use proxies that help measure success, if not certain.

Hans Müller14:09:58 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

Hans wants the team to buy his heavy bags

Bud, I came here early for tokenization before it was even a term ... if I was in for price, I could've booked a profit long ago ... no, I came for tokenization and I want tokenization as do many, many others ... so, save your silly chimes.

Björn14:10:57 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans, you should become a writer or something

sir14:11:09 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

👍

Björn14:11:16 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You sure love writing walls of text

Björn14:12:00 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

>I'm in it for the tech!

Björn14:12:09 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sure, sure🤣

Hans Müller14:13:17 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

Hans, you should become a writer or something

Sport, here hold my ...

nikola15:04:04 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Again, things can be done to improve visibility or efficiency of the business and this is where we agree. On the other hand, helicopter money or any other way of financial engineering in ordee to just raise the value of the token should not and will not happen, unless they decided to throw down the towel and give back the rest of ICO proceedings to the contributors.

Mysterious15:07:41 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans what I described is pretty much an opportunity cost or a loss opportunity. Not worth selling this at the moment to buy the other while its "cheap" or whatever. Not talking about the project either. But yes I do not know you personally. Sorry about that.

Hans Müller15:08:32 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

Let's start with the use of IP to facilitate the late last year bond deal ... how did the bank pay for those (surely not one-day) services? IF our token was not used then they paid cash ... if so, fine, pay that out into wallets as a "special dividend" and any other fees earned via consulting ... the company would still have ~$27mio with a $250k/month burn rate to kill while waiting for whatever to happen ... of course, there's more that can be done.

Mysterious15:08:58 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But as an "investor" you should already know that startups fail a lot and should make decisions according to the risk. Unless it is a scam and can prove it, you would unlikely see ur money back.

Hans Müller15:09:22 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

Oh, and "helicopter money" means "free" ... no one here is talking "free" ... remember we are already investors.

Mysterious15:10:14 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Startup pitch their ideas but they often change and have delays. It usually take longer then usually though. They go out of business because of the lack of fund. Having sufficent fund is really important. Since it is a long term project the amount raised is reasonable for future expansion if needed and unpredictable expenses.

nikola15:10:17 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Oh, and "helicopter money" means "free" ... no one here is talking "free" ... remember we are already investors.

We are contributors. It is a clear distinction.

Hans Müller15:10:27 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

No problem whatsover, we are all deeply passionate to see an optimum outcome ... ;)))

Mysterious15:11:29 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you want the team to just give back the rest and be left 1-1.5 years worth of business expense. That's like killing the project and asure its demise. Freeze employee hire when needed is not wise as it hold back the project development and progress.

Hans Müller15:12:31 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NikolaNYC

We are contributors. It is a clear distinction.

We not not shareholders but you best believe that we are investors ... people who invested in those tokens are called investors ... c'mon, when you buy food at the market do you own the food or only made a contribution to the market to pay the rent and salaries ... lol.

Mysterious15:13:22 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If u know slack, they were a failed a studio game but now it is a commnication platform and is doing well. My point is even "if" proof of solvency can't work and the worst case is a fee based platform, we can do pretty well. We just need a dividend of 2.5 millions dollars after expenses (5% dividend in the traditional world is really good) to reach back to ico price.

nikola15:14:13 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Legally, that is what we are.

Mysterious15:15:18 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With only 100+ download of the jwallet and virtually no one using jcash, many would consider it worrisome (due to regulations or late in the game). But sometime you cannot attract all type of clients. It's either b2c or b2b. In the case of Jibrel they have much success with enterprise clients due to working with regulators. Honestlly I still have not throw my towel because of their ability to attract enterprise clients (like people say... follow the money). With the sukuk success by working with regulators and a traditional bank, we were able to attract more enterprise clients and more regulators. It's a chain reactions. Now they just had a meeting with finantial institutions and the regulators for securities issuance. With more pilot coming out, we will be able to attract more and more. On a side note, I hope we had gain some monetary value by issuing a massive 500 million sukuk or will be charging in the upcoming platform. Otherwise it wont be pretty down the line.

Hans Müller15:16:19 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

mystery, dontcha "think" not "believe" because there is a difference, dontcha think or calculate that in less than 5 years we should have figured this out or not? Fine, set aside $10mio to burn-rate the next 5 years ... I doubt we will be relevant aside from providing jobs to 20-30 people in 5 years, if we are not tokenizing ... in software tech you "use it or lose it" ... you do not save as either the legal context and opportunity is there or it is not ... and IF it is not then we can save the money in our own banks ... we are over-funded for the mission and opporunity, plainly so.

Mysterious15:22:05 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At this time we are 30-35 employees. The thing is we don't know if they will expend later on. Expecially if we have more pilots or expend marketing, customer support as products, platforms and crydr are coming out

Hans Müller15:27:52 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

Today, as per the team, the legal context prevents them from doing what they thought they could do and wanted to do ... once the rules do come out there is absolutely no guarantee of what exactly or in which legal context we will be allowed to operate ... when the laws do not exist or are not clear or are in a state of flux you need to exercise great caution that what you are building will be relevant on the other side.

Hans Müller15:33:23 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In hindsight, it would've been (much) wiser to raise $1mio and built a scaled-down prototype to show investors the working concept ... then, you do another small raise with that created value and use those funds to acquire initial "early-adopter" users, then you do a bigger raise to further build out the functionality and feature set of your prototype to get a v1 and market to paying clients ... all the while with an eye on client needs and LEGAL context, making adjustments and pivots all along the way ... instead, a gigantic funding was done with all sorts of uncertain issues that have now come back to bite us hard. Thus, the basis for my financial engineering calls of a grossly "over-funded" start-up ... in the real world, we would've never ever gotten this funding then or now. Sorry.

Mysterious15:33:29 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If they built and operate only platform/crydr and charge jnt fee in the background it is doable. It only if you touch proof of solvency that it start to be touchy do to regulation. Moving to only based doesn't mean they cannot have some sort of sucess

Hans Müller15:35:44 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

bruh, NO ONE INVESTED in a "fees" token, NO ONE!!! That was not what was promised or what the premise was or the investment thesis.

Mysterious15:35:57 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I know you invested for the original plan but startup change

Mysterious15:36:28 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Me too I didn't not..

Mysterious15:37:11 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyways have fun trying to get the money back

Hans Müller15:37:12 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is like a boxer becoming a seamstress, very different ... meaning, you might not even bother to invest.

Hans Müller15:41:27 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mysterious

Anyways have fun trying to get the money back

Firstly, I want what was promised, the basis of the investor-entrepreneur bond ... all the stops need to be pulled out to create investor value ... that is what I bother to battle for ... reaching the goal of every investor, greater and greater value for our money. Show me that but do not talk to me about being happy with "fees".

TsarBuig15:41:55 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

bruh, NO ONE INVESTED in a "fees" token, NO ONE!!! That was not what was promised or what the premise was or the investment thesis.

+1000 !! That was not at all the project!

TsarBuig15:42:52 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

100% agree with you on everything you said, Hans

Hans Müller15:46:58 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

THIS is my want ...

Hans Müller15:47:03 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"What is the Jibrel Platform? The Jibrel platform is a on-chain / off-chain platform that allows users to tokenize traditional assets. Investors can use the platform to configure their assets, with regards to AML / KYC and compliance restrictions, and sell them on-chain for a profit. Decentralized organizations and funds can used asset-backed tokens to hedge into more stable traditional financial instruments."

Hans Müller15:47:35 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

THAT was worth investing hard-earned monies into ... fees? not so much.

TsarBuig15:56:44 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

THAT was worth investing hard-earned monies into ... fees? not so much.

This

sir15:58:26 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

100% agree with you on everything you said, Hans

TsarBuig16:00:17 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

100% agree with you on everything you said, Hans

I 100% agree with your 100% agreement

Damon16:22:42 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wowww.. 100% agree with you on everything you said, Hans

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jEdward17:06:29 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

Agree with this line of thinking. Something has to be done to create value for JNT holders. I'm very confused as to how the original use case of JNT was so unsuccessful. Wasn't research done into what seems to be surface level regulatory hurdles beforehand?? And yes none of us here invested in a gas token. That is a *drastic* change in what was originally advertised. It seems fundamentally unfair to raise 30M in an ico and then use those funds to float you for a decade while you conduct business that does not benefit the people who invested. We need some sort of clear communication of how we are going to benefit from holding JNT.

Jimmy RUssle18:54:18 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i also agree 100%. The white paper needs to be rewritten ASAP. Jibrel has 30-35 employees..... what on Earth are they all doing? We all have a stake in this project, but we're completely in the dark. The writing was on the wall as soon as they rolled out Jbonds, we wee just too emotionally attached to see it. For me, the best case scenario is another speculative frenzy in a few yeas and Jibrel throwing 100% of its resources into hyping the project to greater fools than me. I'd love to be proven wrong but thus far we've seen nothing that inspires confidence. I'd be enthralled to be proven wrong (not with arguments, but with working profucts that deliver real value), but that's an extremely tall order given that they've only been able to deliver a moible wallet with a 30- person team working for a year.

Mayer19:24:16 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

+100

Marky19:36:08 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

mossflower

Marky19:36:44 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Proof of solvency page still up...

Loose L'Anoose20:38:58 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

mossflower

It's very clear Jibrel has a pride issue. The entire team is too proud to admit they fucked up royally and the party's over.

Loose L'Anoose20:40:01 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Now Jibrel is a glorified jobs programme for third-rate people. Our resident shithouse community manager presiding over "Technology Tuesdays"... how cool. A team of incompetent russian devs who took 1 year to build a fucking useless wallet. A marketing expert from nigeria or some shit who has no relevant experience and whose primary contribution seems to be writing articles about OTHER PROJECTS

Loose L'Anoose20:41:29 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why won't the team accept what Hans has written? You fucked up. Investors trusted you knew your shit and you didn't, which is why JNT couldnt work wiht volatility, it can't work with current regulations, the whitepaper isn't even accurate, teh blog is filled with countless articles that contradict one another, and your own biggest supports have no idea wtf this is about.

Loose L'Anoose20:41:37 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jibrel, you have two options and its very very simple

Loose L'Anoose20:42:00 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JNT is a security. It is a token that has never had a utility. FINMA is unequivocal about this. You are a security.

Loose L'Anoose20:42:17 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Do you want to do it the easy way and do what is right? Or are you going to string this along until your reputations are ground to dust and you end up in court?

Loose L'Anoose20:42:51 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This doesn't go away by re-releasing JNT as a fee token for the 100 users of jwallet and your zero banking partners.

Loose L'Anoose20:44:26 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have little doubt that many here are about 1-2 months away from forming our own Jibrel group and initiating a class action lawsuit.

Bk 13 [$JNT]21:11:41 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

looselanoose

I have little doubt that many here are about 1-2 months away from forming our own Jibrel group and initiating a class action lawsuit.

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Loose L'Anoose21:13:42 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Allow me to write again what you just deleted. This time in accordance with your rules

Bk 13 [$JNT]21:14:25 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Fell free

Loose L'Anoose21:15:23 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The jibrel team is prideful and unwilling to admit they messed up royally and the party's over. The entire team is a glorified jobs program for third rate people. The community manager runs "Technology Tuesdays" which is a sign of how lost and screwed we all are. The russian devs took a year to built a useless wallet that barely 100 people downloaded and even less actually use. The marketing manager is from africa and has no relevant experience at all, and his latest contribution has been to write articles about OTHER PROJECTS.

Ala Haddad21:16:14 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@looselanoose thank you for the critique, will restrict you because there’s no tolerance for racism here.

Loose L'Anoose21:16:23 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Its not racist.

Loose L'Anoose21:16:31 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im highlighting geographical distance adn incompetence

Loose L'Anoose21:17:08 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A new york team with a company in switzerland doesnt have african marketing, russian development and a dubai partner. This is lunacy and shows with the total lack of ANYTHING you have to show for 30 million dollars and 1.5 years work

Loose L'Anoose21:17:20 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The team has routinely hired incompetent people

Loose L'Anoose21:17:39 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Which is why myself and others take the view of jibrel as a jobs program not a real company anymore.

La Creatura21:23:14 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

@looselanoose thank you for the critique, will restrict you because there’s no tolerance for racism here.

You really ban???

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)21:29:48 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

You really ban???

The messages he wrote do sound slightly racist. 👍

La Creatura21:31:23 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

The messages he wrote do sound slightly racist. 👍

I'm 44% black and mexican and it wasnt racist. He makes a point

Roger Vertcoin21:40:42 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What's the point of hiring customer support people when we have no product?

La Creatura21:48:34 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

The messages he wrote do sound slightly racist. 👍

Why you delete my message? I am black and its not racist he makes point

La Creatura21:48:43 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

What's the point of hiring customer support people when we have no product?

Because Jibrel is jobs program.

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The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)23:22:30 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

Because Jibrel is jobs program.

😞

Joseph23:31:19 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

You take issue with my points only to agree with them ... cool ... this is not a binary choice of me being forced to sell ... nope ... investors financed this project on certain premises and promises and still more promises so we have choices and voices, regardless, whether we own common equity or not ... at the point of issue of our utility-payment token there was no platform or use case, not cool ... that has not changed one-full year later ... last year, I said I would wait until October and then I waited still more until seeing the comments the team put out about being at a loss ... going so far as to solicit suggestions from the TG on what to do next ... c'mon, enough is enough ... investors can voice their disappointment and dissatisfaction and make known demands for change ... why should I take the loss? No way.

First, I disagree with the *incessant* demands for feedback from the team. I’m not responding to any specific points, just that some mentioned are potentially viable. The community “demands” are one of the large problems I see with this space, young upstarts with limited resources are expected to respond to stakeholders like a public company - they are not. Not only is this futile in the case of crypto (not equity holders and no clear regulation on governance) it may have the opposite effect that their time and resources get over invested into low value activities (glorified customer service). Second, nothing has fundamentally changed in their thesis: to tokenize assets with a deep focus in the ME finance. Have circumstances changed? Certainly. Will they have to revisit their assumptions? Absolutely. As a community I’d prefer to see the tone of the community be more productive. For those who really would like to take a more active role, I’m sure the team would welcome highly valuable introductions or opportunities.

Joseph23:37:01 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

That is completely unrealistic andI think we all know that. Almost every VC metric on the planet will show that capital availability is one of the single biggest strategic advantages for companies to bring a product to market and succeed. That’s one of the reasons why we have the term “burn rate”. If you want to do a kickstarter and cover upfront production costs that may be viable, but that isn’t what the thesis here is.

Bk 13 [$JNT]23:39:18 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

👍👌

Jiri23:48:05 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)23:50:07 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

100% agree with your statement

Roger Vertcoin23:59:15 - 17 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

+1 I got into this project for tokenization too

Joseph00:01:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To give the opposite view, the fact that the team was risk adverse and converted funds to fiat to secure an appropriate runway post ICO [voluntarily] was already a clear indicator of the teams view toward fiduciary responsibility. There is already a graveyard of post ICO companies that litter the crypto world due to the single fact that they did not account for the risk of a crypto market drawdown.

Joseph00:03:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We wouldn’t be even talking about potential possibilities or returns at that point... it would just be a write off. So let’s not get caught in an illusion that hostility with the founding team is somehow going to produce results.

Joseph00:07:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

+1 I got into this project for tokenization too

That actually hasn’t changed! Just the means and timeframe. I’m quite certain Jibrel mentioned this in the last major Medium post. Their end goal is not fee’s.

Dan Pratt00:07:54 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What is up jibrel family

Dan Pratt00:08:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello

Roger Vertcoin00:15:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

That actually hasn’t changed! Just the means and timeframe. I’m quite certain Jibrel mentioned this in the last major Medium post. Their end goal is not fee’s.

You have a bias bro. You are friends with the team. You go way back. See you in the courts my man

Joseph00:24:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

You have a bias bro. You are friends with the team. You go way back. See you in the courts my man

Of course I do. That is pretty much a given if you are in crypto AND staking in early upstarts. I wouldn’t go as far as to say “friend”, I have no formal or insider ties with the team or any related party other than being a stakeholder in JNT and this Telegram. I just believe that the crypto tokenization of assets will become a reality (long term) and that Jibrel is one of those teams that has the potential to be appropriately positioned to benefit from this trend due to their regional proximity, timing, team, existing partnerships and raised capital.

Dan Pratt00:27:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It took them 1 year and dozens of coders to launch a flawed wallet with less than 100 downloads... How can you still believe in them?

Dan Pratt00:31:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jibrel AG is a success, JNT not so much, they used us and have literally no intention to create any value for our token

Dan Pratt00:31:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And that is deeply saddening as we all believed in them

Bk 13 [$JNT]00:40:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

Jibrel AG is a success, JNT not so much, they used us and have literally no intention to create any value for our token

This isn t true....

Joseph00:43:07 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well, I believe the teams success is also riding on JNT as well. So there is the shared fate aspect of it. There is also the fact that the general sentiment around crypto (post deflation) is pessimistic, much like the sentiment post-dotcom bust. Circumstances like major drawdown often lead to the mentality that progress and value creation is correlated to price. This has been repeatedly shown to be untrue. I don’t know if you’ve ever had to raise capital or market a product during a dry spell, but this is one of the reasons why I mentioned that being capital flush is a huge advantage in bringing a product to market.

Dan Pratt00:51:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What about some of us who bought at almost $1? Are we supposed to accept the fact that the premise we based our investment on is no longer existent?

Dan Pratt00:53:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is not fair

La Creatura00:58:31 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Lol absolute delusion. The team's success was riding on the ICO when they raised 30 mil. JNT can die it doesn't affect them financially. Why do you think almost all ICO companies make their tokens redundant eventually? This idea that the team holding tokens means they deeply care about token price is so wrong. If you had 30 mil in USD how much of that will you risk to pump a token that moon or dump isn't going to change your life as a CEO?

La Creatura00:59:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Why don't you talk about how JNT is a security? How it has never had a use case or any utility at any stage in its life and not even the team know what JNT is used for? Why don't you talk about how the team if we are to believe them, had no idea the regulations didnt support the vision they sold us at ICO?

Dan Pratt00:59:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

CryptoReee

Yes, laugh at me if that makes you happy

La Creatura01:00:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We arent funding the dreams of a few midddle eastern kids we funded a vision of tokenized assets that used JNT. If that is dead we need to admit it and pack it up.

La Creatura01:00:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As others have written though, none of this matters. It doesn't matter if you think the Russian devs making useless wallets are the people who will dominate the financial world or not, because JNT is a security and if the team doesnt address the community concerns it will be addressed in a court.

Joseph01:02:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

We arent funding the dreams of a few midddle eastern kids we funded a vision of tokenized assets that used JNT. If that is dead we need to admit it and pack it up.

Again hostility, have you actually done this before? Class action lawsuit, seriously?

La Creatura01:02:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Again hostility, have you actually done this before? Class action lawsuit, seriously?

I have, actually

Joseph01:02:34 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So you should know the outcome...

La Creatura01:02:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Several Jibrel investors have already found swiss lawyers who believe JNT to be a security

La Creatura01:03:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You have Internet, so you can google FINMA and read how they define a security vs utility token

La Creatura01:04:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I appreciate you're still in the stage of delusion where you think the best way to recover your rekt investment is supportingthe team

La Creatura01:05:12 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Problem is you couldnt even describe what JNT is used for if you tried lol

Joseph01:06:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well I suppose good luck with that. You are essentially going to line the pockets of lawyers, but I’m delusional, what do I know.

La Creatura01:06:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Well I suppose good luck with that. You are essentially going to line the pockets of lawyers, but I’m delusional, what do I know.

You are welcome to refute the actual points I made too... if you can lol

La Creatura01:07:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We won't be lining any pockets as in cases such as these they work on commission for what they win

La Creatura01:07:22 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

PM me if you want to join

La Creatura01:10:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Well I suppose good luck with that. You are essentially going to line the pockets of lawyers, but I’m delusional, what do I know.

Joseph, you're not delusional. Let me know if my understanding of reality is correct.... JNT was launched with utility from day one, JNT can be used for on chain solvency, JNT can be used to tokenize assets, JNT can be used to create jCash, JNT can be used as a gas fee for transactions on the network, JNT has people using it, Jibrel Wallet is a great product that the crypto community really needed and is sure to be a big successes, 1 year development time was because of how advanced and amazing the wallet is......

Roger Vertcoin01:11:08 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The wallet is University student work tier

Roger Vertcoin01:11:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I was told it would be institutional grade. We didn't even have an audit!

La Creatura01:11:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

The wallet is University student work tier

Jibrel Wallet was built by the team best equipped to dominate MENA region fiancial world. Disagreeing is racist.

La Creatura01:12:27 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

I was told it would be institutional grade. We didn't even have an audit!

Jibrel Wallet can store ERC 20 tokens. Is it not institutional enough?? Hey, JOE, feel free to jump in and correct any of this ;))

Joseph01:17:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Look. You’ve obviously made your position abundantly clear. You don’t agree with the direction this is going. You have two options. Liquidate your position or go the legal route. In my opinion, I think neither are preferable. There is a third option for you, but it would require the team and likely all the other stakeholders to also be on board.

La Creatura01:17:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

We all want the third option

La Creatura01:18:02 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Problem is the total silence from the team when it's mentioned

La Creatura01:18:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Because they won't give up those sweet sweet ICO USDs

La Creatura01:18:29 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Which tells you how much they really care about you as an investor

Joseph01:19:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Again. You don’t know that and honestly that was every individuals choice to make that decision about the team no?

La Creatura01:21:54 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Again. You don’t know that and honestly that was every individuals choice to make that decision about the team no?

Every ICO team cares about token holders and investors until it means they may need to part with their fiat

Roger Vertcoin01:22:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why are the team hiring python developers? It seriously makes no sense for the product they want to build. My conclusion is that they are each hiring friends

La Creatura01:22:37 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's crickets at any mention of revenue sharing, equity, or something to give the people who made this possible some skin in the game for where jibrel is now (a useless token)

Roger Vertcoin01:22:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hence why all the products were so bad. If you did a coding course on codeacademy then you would get hired

La Creatura01:22:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

Why are the team hiring python developers? It seriously makes no sense for the product they want to build. My conclusion is that they are each hiring friends

The marketing manager anyone? Ala? The list goes on

La Creatura01:23:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And who is @annabordunova ?

Roger Vertcoin01:23:51 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

The marketing manager anyone? Ala? The list goes on

+1 so many people that aren't even needed

Roger Vertcoin01:24:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

And who is @annabordunova ?

Yazan's wife

La Creatura01:24:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

Yazan's wife

lol really?

La Creatura01:24:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You mean she isnt the PR & Marketing person for Jibrel?

Roger Vertcoin01:24:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

lol really?

So I've heard...

Roger Vertcoin01:25:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

You mean she isnt the PR & Marketing person for Jibrel?

She was only here on TG for the ico then she disappeared. She's now the secretary obvs

La Creatura01:25:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JOE, feel free to jump in at any moment and defend the team stellar hiring practice

La Creatura01:25:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Some insight into why these people are the best to tokenize the financial assets for MENA banks?

La Creatura01:26:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Roger Vertcoin

She was only here on TG for the ico then she disappeared. She's now the secretary obvs

Linkedin says PR and Marketing

Roger Vertcoin01:27:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lacreatura56

Linkedin says PR and Marketing

Lololol damn

Joseph01:27:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Looks like this is not going to lead anywhere. Regardless, best of luck with whatever you choose, I hope it works out for you.

La Creatura01:28:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Looks like this is not going to lead anywhere. Regardless, best of luck with whatever you choose, I hope it works out for you.

You know like everyone here does that if you had solid proof of strong hires, strong use case, you would argue to hell and back to defend jibrel

La Creatura01:29:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You cannot defend the team and so are happy to give the "best of luck" line and disappear

La Creatura01:29:30 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Only appearing to respond to softballs and try and blame investors instead of team I see

Bk 13 [$JNT]01:30:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@lacreatura56 , and Roger, muted 24hrs, you both are being desrespectful, next time ban.

Jimmy RUssle01:31:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I do find it strange that they hired a full time employee just to handle the telegram. I could understand if it was building the subreddit, twitter, and al aroundf web presence, but having a full time employee to delete TG posts from people who already know about the project is a real head scratcher to me.

Matthew Verdon01:32:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

And the customer support agent to service all the customers ?🤔

Ala Haddad01:34:12 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt01:38:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is obviously a family and friends work program. They wont be transparent about anything

Dan Pratt01:39:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why do you need Anna? Why is she getting paid with OUR money?

Dan Pratt01:39:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

All the coders are close to Victor, all of them russian, with zero experience in crypto

Ala Haddad01:40:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone, I'm sorry everyone is having such negative feelings about the team and the project. Your concerns are all heard and appreciated, and I will try my best to prove my capabilities of adding value to the team. To be fair, I'm an entry level hire and I'm doing all I can to handle telegram and try to add ways of better communication and a better product offering from Jibrel, so I get the criticism, but I was hired due to my extreme passion to the crypto world and spreading awareness about this technology. All I can say is that we, as always, will keep our heads down and work towards our goals that we never gave up, and that includes benefiting every stakeholder in this project. I tried to let everyone speak their mind, but some started attacking personal members of the group and that is unacceptable. Criticize the work but not the person. Happy to address and concerns.

Dan Pratt01:41:47 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We want answers. You have the ethical obligation to answer

Matthew Verdon01:42:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Hey everyone, I'm sorry many is having such negative feelings about the team and the project. Your concerns are all heard and appreciated, and I will try my best to prove my capabilities of adding value to the team. To be fair, I'm an entry level hire and I'm doing all I can to handle telegram and try to add ways of better communication and a better product offering from Jibrel, so I get the criticism, but I was hired due to my extreme passion to the crypto world and spreading awareness about this technology. All I can say is that we, as always, will keep our heads down and work towards our goals that we never gave up, and that includes benefiting every stakeholder in this project. I tried to let everyone speak their mind, but some started attacking personal members of the group and that is unacceptable. Criticize the work but not the person. Happy to address any other concerns.

Why dont you stop shadowbanning everyone. You waste time with these ridiculous theme days when all we want to know is what the hell JNT is even used for

Dan Pratt01:42:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This goes well beyond the price, how can you be so calm when literally stripping of any use the token you used to raise $30 million dollars

Matthew Verdon01:42:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You killed chat and nobody ever answers the real questions about utility and how to pivot jibrel to work in all investor interests

Matthew Verdon01:43:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We also will criticize the person when they are clearly not suited to the role. Python devs, Anna, a literal who marketing manager who writes about other projects on the official blog

Dan Pratt01:43:56 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The team had the audacity to ask for $30 million with lies, now you wont answer?

Matthew Verdon01:44:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

The team had the audacity to ask for $30 million with lies, now you wont answer?

All you will get is more platitudes about stakeholder value. The good news is tomorrow is market monday!!! yipeeee

Dan Pratt01:44:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We want transparency, how is a python dev useful for jibrel?

Dan Pratt01:45:01 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What is market Monday?

Ala Haddad01:45:12 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The team is still on track to build the products and ecosystem that was offered, and just as any other startup in the world, changes happen.

Matthew Verdon01:45:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

What is market Monday?

We spend mondays talking about markets intsread of JNT

sir01:45:23 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

👍

Dan Pratt01:45:24 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tell me why Anna is getting paid with MY money, whats her role?

Dan Pratt01:45:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Her instagram is full of travel pics around the world

Gucci01:45:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

Tell me why Anna is getting paid with MY money, whats her role?

this but unironically

Gucci01:46:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

Her instagram is full of travel pics around the world

gib

Dan Pratt01:46:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What?

Gucci01:46:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

her ig

Dan Pratt01:46:39 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Last time I shared it I was banned

Gucci01:46:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Gucci01:46:55 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i will find it myself

Dan Pratt01:47:01 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Its easy enough to find her

Gucci01:47:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah

Dan Pratt01:47:24 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

She is enjoying New York with your and my money

Dan Pratt01:47:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

While we hold a worthless token

Matthew Verdon01:48:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ala, I suggest you don't bother with any more market monday, tech tuesday, wednesday whatever until you answer the questions Hans has asked above. His suggestions are the only way to give real value. We want answers also about JNT use.

Matthew Verdon01:48:31 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Without this there is only one other option which is not fun for anyone

sir01:48:34 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Recently, there have been some different voices in the telegraph group, which is a good phenomenon. Everyone needs to understand the project they are investing in, and don't blindly follow. Promote jnt development together

Dan Pratt01:48:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ive been documenting everything

Gucci01:48:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

agree, hans got a good insight

Dan Pratt01:49:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Every good insight is ignored or banned

Matthew Verdon01:49:24 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

Promote JNT what? If you can even tell me wtf JNT does we cna talk about developing it. Another fiasco like the wallet, another year gone and it's over.

Matthew Verdon01:50:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

Every good insight is ignored or banned

Yes. Then community dies

Dan Pratt01:50:25 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They have a python coder and a chinese community manager now, we are on good hands /s

Matthew Verdon01:50:25 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The only activity in here these days is negative. jibrel lost its supporters

Matthew Verdon01:50:50 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

They have a python coder and a chinese community manager now, we are on good hands /s

Chinese manager was always there only for some reason they decided he should be faked as a new hire

Dan Pratt01:50:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How can they keep any supporter if all they do is lie and deceive

Dan Pratt01:51:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have more than 50 contradictory statements made by yazan and talal

Dan Pratt01:51:34 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lie after lie

Matthew Verdon01:51:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Whitepaper doesnt even make sense anymore. Blog makes no sense.

Matthew Verdon01:52:12 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Every person who tries to defend jibrel disappears when asked what jnt is and does

Dan Pratt01:52:29 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I agree

Matthew Verdon01:52:36 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

because nbody know. Not even TAL and YAZ. Not even ALA. remember when Ala said JNT use is to store in wallet and trade? LOL

Dan Pratt01:52:50 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At least have the basic desency to clean your blog and whitepaper

Dan Pratt01:53:00 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Use one of your 35 employees

Matthew Verdon01:53:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As JNT lost the speculation value it comes closer to the instrinsic value of zero

Dan Pratt01:53:25 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How can you keep contradictory information on display like that?

Dan Pratt01:53:39 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You have no shame

Matthew Verdon01:53:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan Pratt

How can you keep contradictory information on display like that?

30 million reasons why

Dan Pratt01:53:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or professionalism

Dan Pratt01:54:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

30 million reasons why

Yes, they have 30 million to Milk and leave us hanging

Dan Pratt01:55:07 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But with every action theres a reaction, we may have lost our money but you will lose your reputation, all of you

Matthew Verdon01:55:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Instad of complaining we should befriend team to get jobs to

Dan Pratt01:55:18 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

30 million will dry Quick

Matthew Verdon01:55:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

Dan Pratt01:56:40 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What a complete lack of ethics, shame on each and every single one of you

Deng02:00:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Good morning. I'm the community manager of China. I must say a few words of my opinion. Before regulators fully embrace virtual currencies, Tokens for all projects are hard to accept by institutions. Ultimately, the success of a project depends on whether the project can improve the efficiency of human society at some point. I believe that Jibrel can greatly improve the overall efficiency of islamic finance, and may also change the financial efficiency of more regions. As long as the Jibrel network can improve the efficiency of the financial system, investors will be able to reap the rewards of project value growth on the day that virtual currencies are truly accepted by regulators. This is the essence of investment, whether traditional investment or virtual currency investment, their essence is the same. The key is to improve the efficiency of human society. It's not like any team of 30 people can have that many significant collaborations in a year, my friends.

Abdul-Aziz Sabbagh02:04:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

JNT has no utility

Adnan Ali02:06:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So can you actually tokenize assets such as real estate on Jibrel Network?

Adnan Ali02:06:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So not very familiar with project

风

风生水起02:07:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There is a lot of collaboration out there, but the JNT has no sense of engagement, and the JNT price reflects the results of the project in real time.

Deng02:07:37 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Everything in the future can be tokenized by blockchain.

风

风生水起02:08:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

Everything in the future can be tokenized by blockchain.

But not necessarily jibrel

Deng02:08:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I believe that with the development of the industry and the development of regulations, Jibrel will support more and more assets.

Deng02:10:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please note that the investment you make is a venture capital, all investments are risky. All blockchain projects face risks. Jibrel's growth so far is healthy because he is actively seeking more government and banking cooperation.

Deng02:12:00 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With good government and banking partnerships, JNT adoption will be easy once the policy environment improves

Deng02:12:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As things stand today, there are only real use cases in areas that cannot be regulated by law.

风

风生水起02:13:24 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

One year has passed and we are still talking about dreams. After another year, I don't think anyone will argue with you here anymore. Maybe it worked, but we're all dead.

nathan halp02:13:30 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So you are saying jnt utility depends on third parties?

Deng02:13:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In finance, tokens need to be truly adopted only if regulation allows it

Deng02:15:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nathan halp

So you are saying jnt utility depends on third parties?

All business success is not one person's success .Both your environment and your own efforts are indispensable

Joseph02:15:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

QQ401328

But not necessarily jibrel

I suspect tokenization of assets is more dependent on regulations than the technology itself. My understanding is that it’s already been done in certain jurisdictions. I believe there is a company creating the legal framework to tokenize objects as unique as a Stradivarius, so the opportunities there are likely pretty large.

Deng02:16:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

QQ401328

One year has passed and we are still talking about dreams. After another year, I don't think anyone will argue with you here anymore. Maybe it worked, but we're all dead.

it's a five-year plan,We always emphasize that this is a long-term investment

Deng02:17:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In this year, we not only launched the wallet, but also reached a lot of B2B cooperation. These cooperation are based on B2B products, but individual investors don't have much obvious feelings about B2B products.

Deng02:17:56 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Without strong products, why should financial institutions cooperate with us? My friends

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专业技术团队支持

Deng02:20:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In addition, our Meduim article gradually describes our environment, describes our opportunities and describes what we will do.

Deng02:20:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's an ongoing process

Deng02:21:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I will also sync all this across multiple platforms in China

Matthew Verdon02:22:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

In addition, our Meduim article gradually describes our environment, describes our opportunities and describes what we will do.

No they don't, they show a rapidly changing token that eventually loses all use, and a team that has no idea what to do

Matthew Verdon02:22:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We were told we could see the on chain solvency of the pilots which never happened

Matthew Verdon02:22:45 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tokenization we are told would not happen

Matthew Verdon02:22:51 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

jcash is not happening

Matthew Verdon02:23:13 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

jbonds came and went

Matthew Verdon02:23:23 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Deng, can you tell us what JNT use case is?

风

风生水起02:23:26 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

Whether it's a wallet or a B2B product, we individual investors don't feel it, but as the core of the jibrel network, JNT doesn't seem to feel it either

Deng02:23:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

No they don't, they show a rapidly changing token that eventually loses all use, and a team that has no idea what to do

I believe what I have said above has been taken into consideration.

Matthew Verdon02:24:36 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

I believe what I have said above has been taken into consideration.

It hasnt because we asked so many times and all that happens is banned and ignored

Deng02:24:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

I believe what I have said above has been taken into consideration.

And it already includes the questions you pointed out

Matthew Verdon02:25:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

And it already includes the questions you pointed out

It doesnt

Deng02:27:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

QQ401328

Whether it's a wallet or a B2B product, we individual investors don't feel it, but as the core of the jibrel network, JNT doesn't seem to feel it either

Yes, I can understand that there are a lot of things that investors don't feel, because investors don't really use these products and aren't consuming JNT right now. But it doesn't mean that the team hasn't done something, and working with the big financial institutions has proved that the team has made a lot of efforts.

Matthew Verdon02:27:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

what products? not even the pilots are using jnt

Matthew Verdon02:28:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

people arent using jnt because they cant. Theres no use

Deng02:29:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

what products? not even the pilots are using jnt

Before regulators fully embrace virtual currencies, Tokens for all projects are hard to accept by institutions.I have included a reply to this question in the above remarks,my friend

Deng02:30:09 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But now that the financial institutions have adopted our product, won't it be easy to adopt JNT once the policy is open??

Matthew Verdon02:30:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Unlikely.

Matthew Verdon02:30:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jibrel does not have the people who can do what is needed

Channel_Bot02:31:23 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

专业技术团队支持

Deng02:31:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

Jibrel does not have the people who can do what is needed

What you said has no basis in fact. my friend

Matthew Verdon02:32:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

What you said has no basis in fact. my friend

one year to made a bad wallet lol. python dev, anna and michael PR & marketing... do I continue?

Deng02:32:51 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

None of the partners that have made the deal are idiots; they are shrewd.

Matthew Verdon02:33:18 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What deals? SEED left

Deng02:33:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Al Hilal Bank

Deng02:34:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ADGM

Deng02:34:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

FinTech Hive

Deng02:34:41 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

KAMBIO

Matthew Verdon02:35:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kambio is a failed ico, all the others you mentioned had no effect on jnt and dont appear to have continued to work with them

Deng02:35:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They were smart people, and they thought Jibrel was believable

Matthew Verdon02:35:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

then they used and stopped

Deng02:35:56 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

Kambio is a failed ico, all the others you mentioned had no effect on jnt and dont appear to have continued to work with them

An ICO failure does not mean a project failure

Matthew Verdon02:36:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kambio has no use for jnt

Matthew Verdon02:36:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nothing you mention has helped jnt

Matthew Verdon02:36:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and team admitted banks dont want to use jnt

Deng02:38:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

kambio has no use for jnt

If you are going to try every means to prove that what you say is right. We can only use action and time to prove that Jibrel is trustworthy.

Matthew Verdon02:38:52 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tell me the use case of JNT and how investors can use JNT

Sean Lo02:44:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Fyi, i'm in the same boat as you are.

Sean Lo02:44:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dan, just suck it up. Your investment is gone. Either sell now or wait another year to see if fees based takes off.

风

风生水起02:45:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We are losing a lot of money now because we believe in team.

Jimmy RUssle03:04:31 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Any chance of hiring Sergey as an advisor? Say what you want about his dietary habits, but that man knows how to run a crypto project.

nathan halp03:07:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Who is Sergey?

Dan03:12:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thintaged6

What deals? SEED left

Any proof?

K06:23:07 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can you guys just actually deliver something so we can get this over with? At least the damn short term roadmap

Denis M06:27:13 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Can you guys just actually deliver something so we can get this over with? At least the damn short term roadmap

I think it'd be best if you just move on partnah

K06:30:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dilbravishla

I think it'd be best if you just move on partnah

I have already decided to die with this token, too late for me

Denis M06:34:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

I have already decided to die with this token, too late for me

Yeah same here,,

Denis M07:19:00 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Finding out nothing from those bank deals would be tokenized was kind of a kick in the eggs. I've gone from optimistic to cautiously optimistic, I always try to keep a good outlook and while I'm not "happy" about transpiring events I'm not in a rush for the next big news and have sort of accepted the situation. It does make me feel better in a weird way when I look at other blockchain start-ups and see that not all but many of the problems and challenges we are facing are common to others as well so I feel there is a sense that the industry is moving forwards together. This also lessens the pain from the thought of how we had the first mover advantage since many of our "competitors" are likewise in the same position.

Hon(JNT)08:09:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Marky09:18:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Can you guys just actually deliver something so we can get this over with? At least the damn short term roadmap

TsarBuig10:19:08 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Seriously, @arhadd @Yazan15 : **WHERE IS THE TEAM ?? ** You are in the middle of a huge crisis here, we need answers, and NOBODY comes here ! Do you realize what's going on here !? I strongly support what I read before : to launch a class action if we don't have clear answers quickly

TsarBuig10:23:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

And STOP with those bullshit answers, empty of content, we want **something real** : real infos, real roadmap, real answer about JNT's role, real infos about team work, real infos about why you hired a dedicated TG guy and a Python developer, **real answers guys**

风

风生水起10:29:37 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In an industry where the pace of change is so fast, it's ridiculous that the team has a five-year plan. Now the team is facing not only unpredictable legal risks, but also a crisis of trust from the community.

Erik10:30:46 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Admin, can we please start to ban people in here? I'll suggest TsarBuig as the 1st one.

TsarBuig10:33:26 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

Admin, can we please start to ban people in here? I'll suggest TsarBuig as the 1st one.

Man, how can you say that ? Are you satisfied with the answers the team provide you ??

Erik10:40:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Man, how can you say that ? Are you satisfied with the answers the team provide you ??

ICO was just little over a year. It's too early to draw your conclusions and definitely to go to court. Just over a year, think about that. I prefer to have them focus on bringing value to their Business and the JNT token than to occupy themselves with frustrated individuals like yourself.

TsarBuig10:41:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

Do you know how long one year is? Have you ever seen a project who could stay one year without giving any proof of work to its investors? How do you know they are focus on bringing value without any proof!?

Ali10:43:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Seriously, @arhadd @Yazan15 : WHERE IS THE TEAM ?? You are in the middle of a huge crisis here, we need answers, and NOBODY comes here ! Do you realize what's going on here !? I strongly support what I read before : to launch a class action if we don't have clear answers quickly

I believe class is already launched no? All the kids are whining here...

TsarBuig10:46:39 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

I believe class is already launched no? All the kids are whining here...

I suggest you read that dude : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome __"Stockholm syndrome is a condition that causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity."__

Bk 13 [$JNT]10:50:04 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

Bk 13 [$JNT]10:51:08 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

I suggest you read that dude : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome "Stockholm syndrome is a condition that causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity."

Serious?

Bk 13 [$JNT]10:51:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hhahaha

Erik10:52:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Come on dude...what's this? Do I have to take this seriously? A little over a year, just think about that.

Ali10:54:02 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

Come on dude...what's this? Do I have to take this seriously? A little over a year, just think about that.

Don’t bother mate - he has never invested in anything before and thought that he will 1000x his money in 1 month.

TsarBuig10:59:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Guys, let's admit my questions and demands are legit : - updated infos on jibrel website - real roadmap, - real answer about JNT's role, - real infos about team work, - real infos about why you hired a dedicated TG guy and a Python developer

Erik11:06:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

Don’t bother mate - he has never invested in anything before and thought that he will 1000x his money in 1 month.

Most probably

Erik11:09:09 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Guys, let's admit my questions and demands are legit : 1- updated infos on jibrel website 2- real roadmap, 3- real answer about JNT's role, 4- real infos about team work, 5- real infos about why you hired a dedicated TG guy and a Python developer Give us answers on those 5 points and we'll be ok

So if they don't answer your questions you're going to sue, if they do you're OK? 😔. Come on man!

TsarBuig11:11:30 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

So if they don't answer your questions you're going to sue, if they do you're OK? 😔. Come on man!

If you have answers to any of those questions, tell us dude

Erik11:18:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't but I don't demand that they justify themselves for every decision, change of course or every new hire. I trust the team that they will bring value to the token eventually.

Talal Tabbaa11:23:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Silvester_77

I don't but I don't demand that they justify themselves for every decision, change of course or every new hire. I trust the team that they will bring value to the token eventually.

Thank you for the support :)

Ali11:23:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Point 1 and 2 are very valid. Point 3 I think should be part of 2 - it should be clear what the use cases in the short term are and then long term. 4 comes in the updates and 5 is a weird question - they need him for development?

Talal Tabbaa11:23:58 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I saw a couple of questions about the recruitement of Python proficient developers..`

Talal Tabbaa11:24:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

- Development of Jsearch blockexplorer and microservices related to the Jsearch frontend (website, mobile apps) - Development of Jwallet backend - Infrastructure maintenance (nodes etc.)

Talal Tabbaa11:43:13 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

1- I agree, the website does need to be updated. It is on our to-do list :) 2/3 - We touched upon the 2019 plans during our 2018 year-end update. The Jibrel vision has NOT changed since day 1. Moving traditional financial assets on-chain is a complex task that cannot be achieved in 1 year. During 2018, we laid down a lot of the infrastructure needed to move asset on-chain including pilots, licenses and internal resources. We are working with regulators that are crypto-friendly and will allow the use of JNT and other crypto-assets. Crypto exchanges can list 1,000's of coins without significant barriers (it actually takes a couple of minutes to add the crypto symbol, number of demicals and smart contract address) whereas listing traditional assets (CryDR) requires the coordination of several parties. We have always been upfront about the use of Jcash as a stable output of smart contracts, which will be necessary when other assets are tokenized. The Hilal Bank Sukuk uses Jcash for the cash-flow payments, and all other assets moved on the Jibrel platform will utilize the respective Jcash token (depending on the FIAT currency used). We are commited to the original vision laid out, but if anyone thinks that this is a sequential process is wrong. New technology, and especially fintech, is an iterative process that requires reworking portions of the approach to reach the ultimate goal of providing currencies, commodities, equities, money market instruments and other bankable assets on-chain, powered by JNT. 4- we have monthly updates that go through what the team are working on. 5- I explained why we have python developers on our team and we don't have anyone dedicated to TG. Managing the Telegram group is a fraction of Ala's role at Jibrel, he understands the crypto industry and products better than most, and we are very happy to have him on board. Whether it's crypto products, or helping us in the process of move assets on-chain, his input has been great. Constructive feedback is always welcome :)

Erik11:48:08 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Your comments are much appreciated Talal.

TsarBuig11:52:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Hello Talal, thank you for this answer 1- yes, please do it quickly. And also clean up all the unnecessary blog posts... 2/3- I'm sorry, I may not be a smart guy but this answer is not clear enough to me : I still really don't understand where we go, how we go there, and what JNT will be used to 4- Your monthly updates are too vague to me... does not answer to the 2/3 bullets 5- seriously guys, do we need Jsearch ? Take your time to answer, but I would really appreciate clarification on 2/3 in your next monthly update : where do we go / how do we go (roadmap) / what JNT will be used for --> start from 0 guys Thanks a lot

Denis M11:53:12 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Thanks for info and popping by. Safe travels

K12:26:50 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Regarding using jcash as a stable output of smart contracts and the Pomp podcast, would you say that in the long term if government backed stable coins are released, or one become standard, would you switch from Jcash to the standard?

K12:27:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Like have jibrel smart contracts working with JPM coin? (just an example)

K12:39:38 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also, is the careers page still relevant? Are you still looking for a marketing director?

Tony Acurso12:46:25 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I researched into JNT and I'm not sure what it does to be honest... Good luck trying to have new investors buying this coin

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sir13:12:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Hello Talal, thank you for this answer 1- yes, please do it quickly. And also clean up all the unnecessary blog posts... 2/3- I'm sorry, I may not be a smart guy but this answer is not clear enough to me : I still really don't understand where we go, how we go there, and what JNT will be used to 4- Your monthly updates are too vague to me... does not answer to the 2/3 bullets 5- seriously guys, do we need Jsearch ? Or do we need to hire someone to develop it !? Take your time to answer, but I would really appreciate clarification on 2/3 in your next monthly update : where do we go / how do we go (roadmap) / what JNT will be used for --> start from 0 guys Thanks a lot

You are one of the few sober investors

D S13:26:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Hello Talal, thank you for this answer 1- yes, please do it quickly. And also clean up all the unnecessary blog posts... 2/3- I'm sorry, I may not be a smart guy but this answer is not clear enough to me : I still really don't understand where we go, how we go there, and what JNT will be used to 4- Your monthly updates are too vague to me... does not answer to the 2/3 bullets 5- seriously guys, do we need Jsearch ? Or do we need to hire someone to develop it !? Take your time to answer, but I would really appreciate clarification on 2/3 in your next monthly update : where do we go / how do we go (roadmap) / what JNT will be used for --> start from 0 guys Thanks a lot

The fact that from the outside we do not see any use in JSearch, it does not mean it is useless to their purposes. Designing a complex systems is similar to building a house. First you build the foundation, then the walls, after that the roof and eventually you put doors and windows. When you look at the builded house, the foundations are there, even if you do not see them. JSearch is a part of the foundations of the Jibrel Network. They stated that from the beginning. For now they are building the foundations and the bricks that they will use to build the walls. The house project is not available yet. They know that they will build a house, but not yet which one. The final project depends on what the institutional clients will want. Is the final project going to bring some value to JNT? It's to early to jump to any conclussions, as many are already doing in this TG. The wallet in this vision is like a door of the house. It will become part of the final project, but it is clear that it was released only becouse it was the only thing that could be released to the community and to be honest it doesn't bother me.

sir13:43:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

D S

I think it is not difficult to explain a business model. As an investor, we only hold jnt tokens. The value of JNT is currently not seen in the business model. Investors need to know where JNT tokens can be used. This requirement is very reasonable and Jibrel should also clearly inform his investors.

sir13:53:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Investors only hold jnt tokens, no other credentials. Jibrel's success does not guarantee that the price of jnt will rise (if someone refutes this view, it can only fool a fool). If the business model jnt token does not matter, the final jnt must be zero. The above is the most worrying investors, in fact, the short-term price does not matter.

Ala Haddad14:31:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Good morning everyone, I hope Talal's message cleared up some concerns for some of you. @netsir As we stated before one of the pillars of our company at Jibrel is to provide value to tokenholders, especially as we see how the space is moving forward as the demand for blockchain applications increases.

Ala Haddad14:36:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Although it may not be clear in the short term, just like how in the early days of the internet, the endless applications we have today were not thought possible- I don't like to keep comparing as the context is extremely different, but the paradigm shift is very similar.

Marky14:38:50 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Cleared 0 things. It's all the same message repeated 100th time

Ala Haddad14:40:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

Cleared 0 things. It's all the same message repeated 100th time

I'm sorry you feel that way, stay posted for our developments moving forwards; I hope things will become clearer to you and everything will come together

Marky14:42:23 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah waiting for new wallet version, thanks guys

Christian Hu15:01:52 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Hi Talal, great to get an update from you guys. Since you are building a platform, I suppose you have read „The Platform Revolution“ as a playbook (if not I can strongly recommend it). Have you defined a core interaction that you are building up, and are you planning on subsidizing one side of the platform to get some network effects going?

TsarBuig15:10:41 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

I'm sorry you feel that way, stay posted for our developments moving forward; I hope things will become clearer to you and everything will come together

Ala, can you please stop repeating the same soup again, and again, and again ? The only way things will become clearer is if YOU give us answers to our questions. It will not become clearer "magically" by itself Talal's answer was already much more elaborated than yours, but as you saw in Marky's answer we are not convinced at all and need more @ttabbaa please say Ala to stop repeating us the same meaningless sentences : it's just boring And, by the way, stop saying that your goal is to provide value to Token holders : **we got delisted from Kucoin and you did not give us any explanation about it !!!** Do you realize how patient (naive) we have been since now ?

Björn15:15:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yazan explained very clearly that Kucoin was trying to extort them though

Björn15:16:29 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And the reason most of you keep getting the same answers is because you basically keep asking the same questions

Bk 13 [$JNT]15:17:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

And the reason most of you keep getting the same answers is because you basically keep asking the same questions

Bk 13 [$JNT]15:17:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

Yazan explained very clearly that Kucoin was trying to extort them though

I remenber too....

Ala Haddad15:19:00 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Ala, can you please stop repeating the same soup again, and again, and again ? The only way things will become clearer is if YOU give us answers to our questions. It will not become clearer "magically" by itself Talal's answer was already much more elaborated than yours, but as you saw in Marky's answer we are not convinced at all and need more @ttabbaa please say Ala to stop repeating us the same meaningless sentences : it's just boring And, by the way, stop saying that your goal is to provide value to Token holders : we got delisted from Kucoin and you did not give us any explanation about it ! Do you realize how patient (naive) we have been since now ?

Hey Tsar, I understand and you deserve more updates and answers, as things stand, I can only reaffirm what Talal has said and assure you that we are working towards what we believe will benefit everyone.

TsarBuig15:22:18 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok guys, maybe I'm too impatient, I am sorry I'll wait for your next monthly update to judge your communication improvement Thank you, I really hope you'll do your best to answer those questions

Chad Thundercock15:25:01 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Shalom

Erik15:59:02 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

And the reason most of you keep getting the same answers is because you basically keep asking the same questions

Haha...so true!

José Mateos16:28:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi guys, If you're unhappy with the way things are going with us ICO investors

José Mateos16:28:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I suggest you place a complaint with FINMA

José Mateos16:28:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.finma.ch/en/finma-public/reporting-information/

José Mateos16:28:21 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Here's the link

José Mateos16:31:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hope it's okay for me to post this. It's important for Jibrel to be held accountable

Erik16:41:09 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

Hi guys, If you're unhappy with the way Jibrel AG has misled us ICO investors

Misled? I will testify in court that Jibrel AG has NOT misled me during ICO and going forward. I will testify that little boys expected to get X1000 times returns and now, not getting it within a little over a year, they get upset.

Erik16:41:25 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😄

Bk 13 [$JNT]16:45:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😅

Mayer16:52:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"For Jcash, the team decided to build-out products and incorporate Jcash to promote adoption directly. Similar to the success experienced by USDC (Coinbase, Circle) and GUSD (Gemini) who have existing user-bases to which stable coin adoption can be promoted. Similarly, Jibrel is focused on Jwallet adoption and incorporating Jcash into the Jwallet." , 'Jibrel will embed Jcash into the Jwallet, facilitating fiat to crypto and crypto to fiat conversions. Conversions will incentivize the use of JNT." Could we expect this in the short term?

Jimmy17:25:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yongruideng

In addition, our Meduim article gradually describes our environment, describes our opportunities and describes what we will do.

👍

Jimmy17:28:48 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

👍

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)17:31:15 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bk_1313

I remenber too....

Yep kucoin isn't a valuable exchange anyway 1.5mil would be wasted to keep us listed on their 😂.

Tony Acurso17:35:30 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone that gives a positive opinion has no proof that things are going great as the team claims. If you cannot figure it out stop milking the money and give the people their money back

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)17:47:33 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Anyone that gives a positive opinion has no proof that things are going great as the team claims. If you cannot figure it out stop milking the money and give the people their money back

The team isn't milking everyone invested by their free will

Jimmy RUssle17:47:49 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nobody deserverd their monry back, but we do deserve a roadmap of how things will work going forward, especially regarding token utility. Solvency was digestible and the reason most of us got in this project.

Marky19:40:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

And the reason most of you keep getting the same answers is because you basically keep asking the same questions

Take a look at the chart and see how well their "answers" satisfy investors

Marky19:40:34 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's not even going up with the whole market anymore

Björn19:47:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The only thing you care about is short-tern token price, you seem to have no regard for the well-being of the company and you have a total lack of apathy for the work they're doing with regulators and enterprise-users. Yeah, the short-term tokenomics of the project has changed but would you rather they'd stuck with their previous approach only to end up with zero adoption? You even want them to spend their money to buy your heavy bags

Björn19:48:41 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies on Telegram but keep crying I guess, nothing is gonna change though, the team is gonna do what's best for Jibrel whether you like it or not

Bk 13 [$JNT]19:50:22 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

It's not even going up with the whole market anymore

🧐😅

Björn19:53:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Everyone wants a high token price but it's a UTILITY token. It takes time to build out services that are up the the expected standards of regulators and buisnesses, especially in innovative areas where people are sceptical. Be patient

Bk 13 [$JNT]19:54:11 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies on Telegram but keep crying I guess, nothing is gonna change though, the team is gonna do what's best for Jibrel whether you like it or not

K20:00:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bk_1313

Why is this guy an admin who upvotes calling people cry babies?

Ali20:00:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Because they are cry babies

Bk 13 [$JNT]20:02:42 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I m just a volunteer... I m part of community as you....

风

风生水起20:04:39 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Will the price of JNT, which has fallen so much and is so unstable, affect the adoption of practical tokens by Banks or regulators

K20:05:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bk_1313

I m just a volunteer... I m part of community as you....

So your job as a volunteer is to upvote insults?

风

风生水起20:07:14 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

More respect, more reasonable debate

K20:10:10 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm sure if somebody new joins the channel and sees an admin doing this will sure stick around

Bk 13 [$JNT]20:10:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

So your job as a volunteer is to upvote insults?

I was referring to the fact that complaining a lot does not change the reality, but if someone is offended I m sorry for that....

Ala Haddad20:12:44 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

I'm sure if somebody new joins the channel and sees an admin doing this will sure stick around

Sorry about that, will make sure this doesn’t happen again

Marky20:23:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bk_1313

🧐😅

Are you serious? What are you trying to prove here? It's only up because ether went by a lot

Marky20:23:32 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

0.13x since ico ;)

Marky20:23:39 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In USD

Marky20:23:51 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If that is your metric

Marky20:24:53 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies on Telegram but keep crying I guess, nothing is gonna change though, the team is gonna do what's best for Jibrel whether you like it or not

yeah because criticism makes you a crybaby

Arvin Eskandari20:40:43 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Soo... is the dream ded?

Arvin Eskandari20:41:08 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cit losses and wrists?

Bk 13 [$JNT]20:57:03 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

Are you serious? What are you trying to prove here? It's only up because ether went by a lot

Is moving just that.... I din t say nothing more about this ...

sir22:26:52 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

hahaha，why not be cleae in the short term，hahaha

sir22:27:30 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

hahaha，why not be cleard in the short term，hahaha

sir22:31:06 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

You mean like: "In any case, JNT will definitely be useful, but I don't know what it is." This is said from the official, some like jokes.

Ala Haddad22:34:01 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When a new technology is introduced, our minds try to fit it with things we are used to. You misread me, what we are working towards may seem to some in the short term unhelpful, but we will be ready to act as we are building the suitable infrastructure.

风

风生水起22:42:51 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If JNT is only a utility token, it should not be listed on an exchange.

Alex23:13:19 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hello

Alex23:13:35 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if jibrel is trying to be a bank,will they issue loanstoo?

Alex23:13:59 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

would really appreciate an answer,thanks

sir23:15:28 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I like smart people, why not take a look at the white paper and learn more?

N23:21:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

QQ401328

If JNT is only a utility token, it should not be listed on an exchange.

Craziest comment ever....do you even understand this space at all?

Alex23:22:16 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sir who is that directed for?

sir23:24:20 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Craziest comment ever....do you even understand this space at all?

Example: "If jibrel assists in developing a smart contract, the bank pays $1 million." Does this million have anything to do with you? Learning is very important, my friend.

N23:25:57 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The bank pays who a million?

N23:29:22 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

Example: "If jibrel assists in developing a smart contract, the bank pays $1 million." Does this million have anything to do with you? Learning is very important, my friend.

Notice I didn't tag you. Your right learning is important...have you started yet?

sir23:31:40 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex051

sir who is that directed towards?

I am here for you, you invested in real money. But you don't even know what this project is doing.

Alex23:32:50 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍

Alex23:33:17 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

admin please if you see my msg need some help

sir23:34:05 - 18 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex051

👍

👬

Ala Haddad00:08:18 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey @Alex051 , Jibrel is not trying to be a bank, we are working with banks to incorporate smart contracts into their activities to create efficiencies, bonds and loans are some of the instruments used. Let me know if that helps

Alex00:08:54 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thanks for replying

Alex00:09:36 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i was watching an interview by th eceo,he said he wanted to become aa bank,it struck as a bit weird,this is why i asked

TsarBuig00:33:04 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

Yep kucoin isn't a valuable exchange anyway 1.5mil would be wasted to keep us listed on their 😂.

Guys, stop misleading us : Kucoin would NEVER ask for 1.5 M$ I'm investors in other projects and Kucoin is know for lower prices compared to Binance, etc. Give us proofs if you want us to believe this

sir00:36:57 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

Yep kucoin isn't a valuable exchange anyway 1.5mil would be wasted to keep us listed on their 😂.

If a token has no trading volume, the exchange is offline and it is very correct. This is the investor where the exchange protects it. Because there is no transaction amount of tokens is dangerous.

sir00:37:48 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

Yep kucoin isn't a valuable exchange anyway 1.5mil would be wasted to keep us listed on their 😂.

If a token has no trading volume, the token is correctly ordered. The exchange protects its investors. Tokens without trading volume are dangerous.

sir00:39:15 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If a token has no trading volume, the token should be deleted by the exchange. The exchange protects its investors. Tokens without trading volume are dangerous.

Ala Haddad00:48:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tarekayna

We're definitely not paying them 300K (25 per month) a year to stay on. So in the event that they delist us please ensure you don't have tokens there.

@TsarBuig not sure where the 1.5m number came from- it’s 300k a year, so for five years that’s 1.5m

sir00:53:31 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

@TsarBuig not sure where the 1.5m number came from- it’s 300k a year, so for five years that’s 1.5m

Kucoin is a good exchange in China. I am familiar with them ceo. They are free for popular tokens. Charges for unknown tokens are high.

sir00:55:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

@TsarBuig not sure where the 1.5m number came from- it’s 300k a year, so for five years that’s 1.5m

Bince also deletes tokens with low transaction volume, which was actually done the day before yesterday. Huobi is also like this. This is protecting investors.

sir00:55:41 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

@TsarBuig not sure where the 1.5m number came from- it’s 300k a year, so for five years that’s 1.5m

Binance also deletes tokens with low transaction volume, which was actually done the day before yesterday. Huobi is also like this. This is protecting investors.

Ala Haddad00:56:17 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We are aware of that, thanks though!

N01:28:25 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

If a token has no trading volume, the token should be deleted by the exchange. The exchange protects its investors. Tokens without trading volume are dangerous.

Some of these coins aren't given enough time to generate trading volume. Especially in a bear market

sir01:35:47 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Some of these coins aren't given enough time to generate trading volume. Especially in a bear market

There is no trading volume in the bear market, and the bull market still does not. Buying and selling because someone is optimistic about the future

N01:36:48 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Explain

Joseph01:38:47 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

QQ401328

If JNT is only a utility token, it should not be listed on an exchange.

This is incorrect. Being on an exchange has no bearing on what the token is broadly categorized as. There was an individual who challenged my position yesterday in trying of keep this Telegram civil and he told me to “Google FINMA”... so I did. For those interested there is an actual guideline issued specifically for ICO’s and generally speaking tokens fall under three categories: payment tokens, utility tokens and an asset tokens. Although each token is reviewed on a case by case basis, it is quite clear that a proof of solvency utility token is just that... a utility token. Which means, it is not considered a security from the standpoint of FINMA.

sir01:39:44 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Explain

If there is no trading volume in a token bear market, the bull market still does not. Some people are optimistic about the future of this token, they will be bought and sold.

N01:41:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

If there is no trading volume in a token bear market, the bull market still does not. Some people are optimistic about the future of this token, they will be bought and sold.

There is no logic in that statement. It's a false dichotomy.

sir01:43:16 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There is no logic in that statement. It's a false dichotomy.

I mean, no trading volume can't find an excuse for bear market.

N01:45:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The market is tiny in comparison to other asset classes. What was bitcoin volume the first three to five years. People see a fiat value and think this is money, it's not money

Denis M01:48:53 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hope one day we can all get along

Ethеreum06:23:25 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Michel07:55:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Lol good luck with your class action

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Tony Acurso12:38:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ya I hope the team is not a scam. Many red flags have been pointed, I'm scare at the end they will say sorry guys we couldn't do it. They take our money though

Shunu12:54:12 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

workbone

Intent is pointless, what is counts. If the only point of a token is to appreciate in value (ie no other utility) then it's a security

Ethеreum12:57:30 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Denis M13:34:46 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Uhoh Hans typing

Hans Müller13:43:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Ya I hope the team is not a scam. Many red flags have been pointed, I'm scare at the end they will say sorry guys we couldn't do it. They take our money though

Truth Tuesday: Many here know that I’ve been a big fan and supporter of this tokenization project from DAY ONE and have visited the office in NYC and have met YAZAN and ANNA and spent personal time hanging out with TALAL both in the USA and in CH ... TALAL is firstly, a likeable and wonderful guy, funny, sporty, (scary) smart, and very passionate about our project, as is YAZAN, of course … TALAL and I are in regular contact, although, in recent weeks, not so much. I’ve shared with TALAL long-ago now, on 7 January, an exhaustive list of considered items-issues-things we could look to do to create investor value while waiting to create actual token utility … would’ve enjoyed seeing a point-by-point treatment to surface every last thing in hopes of figuring this out together but … whatever. Investor choices here are not binary, i.e., “shut-up or sell” … nor is this a call for a money refund as some have misinterpreted, as we all want to make tons of money and also be proven correct about tokenization but … Rule #1 in investing is CAPITAL PRESERVATION … making money, regardless, the risks, the upside opportunity and potential, regs, time frame, etc., etc is secondary. Do not allow anyone to tell you differently, otherwise, you go down with the ship, which for an investor means “GAME OVER” … remember, in ICOs investors and entrepreneur’s interests are not aligned and are in fact very asymmetric in the companies favour. THAT is what I am fighting for or against as we languish down here being basically worthless without promised utility, although, cash rich. So, cutting to the chase, here is what I (personally) could live with though ... as the probability of this ever working shrinks by the month, if not by the week, based on lack of .gov regs clarity (Development Rule#1: legal context is everything!), the ability of the team to navigate said uncertainty, the ability of Victor to develop something world-class, world-beating, etc., etc, ... let's do this ... split the cash balance on hand right now in 1/2 ... that is, 50% to finance a development path and plan and the other 50% to return to investors ... ~$28mio remains, so, $14mio/$250'000 burn-rate/month = 56 months or 4 1/2 YEARS ... every month the team gets $250k and token holders get $250k ... this way, they can live and pay their rent and work to create value for us while we start to get monies slowly returned ... this puts pressure on them to make this happen but puts a safety net out there in the event they are wrong (again) ... of course, any fees earned consulting or whatever is also returned to investors (creating another reason to (DCA) buy and hold the token)... to help promote wallet use, all income-generated dividends are only paid directly into wallets. When the token value returns to ICO level the dividend can be cancelled. It should not take another 4 ½ CRYPTO YEARS to prove and validate the original investment hypothesis and premise and promise that the ICO was based on … ! WIN-WIN or NOT?

K15:29:46 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

I'd rather they use the 250k to hire more to actually deliver value

K15:30:30 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

250k can get you a lot of people

Ala Haddad15:35:23 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey @UppercaseK and Hans, both of your comments have been acknowledged, thank you for the input.

Ala Haddad15:38:11 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hope everyone is doing great this morning, I'm glad to share our latest version of the Jwallet web, please check it out here and let us know your thoughts on it: https://jwallet.network/

Björn15:40:18 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Any ETA on jCash integration?

Ala Haddad15:47:28 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ReallyCoolGuy95

Any ETA on jCash integration?

It's a top priority for the team, the integration will be live as soon as the final tweaks are polished and ready.

Björn15:48:12 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

It's a top priority for the team, the integration will be live as soon as the final tweaks are polished and ready.

So it's a matter of quality control, not waiting on regulator approval etc?

K15:49:04 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Users are required to mantain a JNT ballance 🤔

K15:49:14 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also Kucoin :(

K15:49:25 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Never forget

TsarBuig15:50:04 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

I hope everyone is doing great this morning, I'm glad to share our latest version of the Jwallet web, please check it out here and let us know your thoughts on it: https://jwallet.network/

Hello, good job guys, I have 2 questions : 1- did you make a independent security audit of your wallet ? To prove the World that's it's the "best in class" ? 2- can you share with us (your investors and supporters) the amount of people using your Jwallet ? How many people / organization use it regularly? Thank you

K15:52:07 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Very nice release guys, mew is nothing compared to this. It is a very nice experience

Erik15:52:55 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Very nice indeed.👍

K15:52:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Finally it's something

TsarBuig15:54:11 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

**Feedback on Jwallet :** I think you should improve the color of the text to make it more readable. Don't you think guys that we don't see it well? Thanks

Thomas15:56:11 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

small typo on "Settings" page, the "Support" block, it has Jwalllet with 3 l's instead of 2 :P

Richard15:56:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Briilliant team well done delivering.

TsarBuig16:00:15 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Feedback 2 on Jwallet - you can create several address in Jwallet : ETH and all ERC20 tokens - but when you click on "Receive Asset" , you don't know which Token you're using !! That's BIG problem if you clicked on the wrong token ! In the screenshot below it should be written "ETH" somewhere! And a warning like "Be careful, only send ETH to this address" 😔

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Erik16:02:51 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

I like your input a lot more today than yesterday TsarBuig...😉

Ala Haddad16:04:44 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Hey, for ERC-20 tokens, you use the same address as ETH.

TsarBuig16:04:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

I hope everyone is doing great this morning, I'm glad to share our latest version of the Jwallet web, please check it out here and let us know your thoughts on it: https://jwallet.network/

**Feedback 3 : communication** There is no news anywhere about this!! No news on Facebook, nothing on Medium, no release notes... @arhadd are you our community manager !? Seriously it's your job man, spam the web with news on this!

Ala Haddad16:05:38 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

The team inter-audits throughout the different departments and uses the safest technology that keeps your private keys in the browser and removes them as soon as you leave.

TsarBuig16:07:05 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Hey, for ERC-20 tokens, you use the same address as ETH.

Hum, if you send another token to an ETH address your funds will be lost ! Let's say you send OmiseGo to ETH address, your funds are lost Am I wrong guys ? --> it's very confusing here

Ala Haddad16:07:34 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Hum, if you send another token to an ETH address your funds will be lost ! Let's say you send OmiseGo to ETH address, your funds are lost Am I wrong guys ? --> it's very confusing here

Your same ETH address holds ERC-20 tokens.

K16:10:21 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How are tokens recovered?

K16:10:29 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@arhadd

Pops16:10:50 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://link.medium.com/7VwSRwRfrU

Ala Haddad16:12:33 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

How are tokens recovered?

We can only assist with JNT tokens if you passed KYC and provide enough information to prove you are the owner of the tokens and you are not comitting a fraudulent transaction reversal.

K16:12:34 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also i suggest adding an estimated dollar cost of fee when sending custom gas transactions

Ala Haddad16:12:44 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Also i suggest adding an estimated dollar cost of fee when sending custom gas transactions

Noted, thanks for the input!

K16:13:39 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

We can only assist with JNT tokens if you passed KYC and provide enough information to prove you are the owner of the tokens and you are not comitting a fraudulent transaction reversal.

I mean how exactly are they returned from the wrong wallet? How is it possible?

K16:15:22 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also extend the home link in top left corner so it also takes you to the homepage when clicking total balance

Ala Haddad16:15:51 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

I mean how exactly are they returned from the wrong wallet? How is it possible?

The creator of the smart contract ( in this case, JNT ) is able to create an inverse transaction.

TsarBuig16:16:49 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Your same ETH address holds ERC-20 tokens.

Your wallet gives you the possibility to add non-ERC20 token (like EOS) I explain you step by step the big problem : **Who am I?** I'm a newbie in cryptos **What do I do before I lose my funds?** 1/ I create an EOS wallet in Jwallet 2/ I click on "Receive Asset" 3/ I copy paste the ETH address (!!) displayed 4/ I send EOS to this address --> the Jibrel team won't be able to do anything to recover this See screenshots below

TsarBuig16:18:42 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Come on guys, please, that's the worst user friendly thing I've ever seen And I thought Jibrel's wallet could only handle ERC20 token ??

sir16:18:47 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

The creator of the smart contract ( in this case, JNT ) is able to create an inverse transaction.

Who is the service user of the wallet? What is the use of JNT tokens?

Ala Haddad16:18:51 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks for pointing it out, the asset list will be updated accordingly

K16:19:11 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

The creator of the smart contract ( in this case, JNT ) is able to create an inverse transaction.

This is something that should be made not possible...

TsarBuig16:20:10 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

This is something that should be made not possible...

That's a joke man : this is of course impossible to do that in crypto I think he does not know what he's saying...

TsarBuig16:21:24 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Feedback 3 : communication There is no news anywhere about this!! No news on Facebook, nothing on Medium, no release notes... @arhadd are you our community manager !? Seriously it's your job man, spam the web with news on this!

What is your answer on that @arhadd ?? Are you our community manager? Is it you who handle our Facebook page, reddit, etc. ?

Ala Haddad16:23:12 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

What is your answer on that @arhadd ?? Are you our community manager? Is it you who handle our Facebook page, reddit, etc. ?

We shared on social media my friend, check again 🙂

sir16:23:56 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

We shared on social media my friend, check again 🙂

Who is the service user of the wallet? What is the use of JNT tokens?

TsarBuig16:24:00 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

We shared on social media my friend, check again 🙂

Which one ?

Ala Haddad16:24:26 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Facebook, Twitter, Medium

sir16:25:56 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Facebook, Twitter, Medium

？

sir16:29:28 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Facebook, Twitter, Medium

Who is the service user of the wallet? What is the use of JNT tokens?

TsarBuig16:29:41 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Facebook, Twitter, Medium

My bad, I got confused by the pinned message on your Facebook page (from December) and did not go below --> I will delete my post about this --> is it a good idea to keep this pinned message?

Ala Haddad16:30:00 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

My bad, I got confused by the pinned message on your Facebook page (from December) and did not go below --> I will delete my post about this --> is it a good idea to keep this pinned message?

We'll pin the new one, thanks for pointing that out.

TsarBuig16:30:09 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

Who is the service user of the wallet? What is the use of JNT tokens?

Sorry sir, I talk too much, let's answer your question now :)

sir16:30:39 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can the community manager answer this question?

Ala Haddad16:31:57 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In terms of transaction reversals, in some situations such as the coinrail hack, we were able to freeze the tokens from the hack and stop those transactions, and in cases of illegal breaches and police reports- I miscommunicated our ability to do transaction reversals, my apologies on that @TsarBuig

Ala Haddad16:34:12 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey sir, I see your question and it's been addressed before- we are targetting institutions and retail crypto customers to use our wallet and then incorporate Jcash and other smart contracts and create an interconnected ecosystem for the tokens.

K16:35:33 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

So you guys could freeze the JNT i own and basically destroy it if you wanted to?

K16:36:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And no reversals yes?

sir16:36:46 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So, mainly serving institutional users

Ala Haddad16:39:29 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

So you guys could freeze the JNT i own and basically destroy it if you wanted to?

Only in the cases of legal enforcement, which is something out of our hands; doing that would cause legal issues and there is absolutely no reason or motive for Jibrel to do that.

K16:44:14 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Only in the cases of legal enforcement, which is something out of our hands; doing that would cause legal issues and there is absolutely no reason or motive for Jibrel to do that.

This means it's completely centralized

K16:45:19 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not the worst thing considered JNT is based solely on Jibrel AG, but it's not a good thing

Ala Haddad16:48:41 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

This means it's completely centralized

To be compliant and regulated and to be able to work with financial institutions and to achieve our goals of tokenizing hopefully multi-billion dollar assets, there needs to be some sort of control at least initially, until we lay out the correct foundations for creating the smart contracts that are solely between the participants within the network- does that make sense?

TsarBuig16:49:25 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Any answers on this ?

Ala Haddad16:51:24 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

1 answered above, 2 we are in user aquisition phase and will start sharing information on usage once we get dependable numbers.

TsarBuig16:55:18 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

The team inter-audits throughout the different departments and uses the safest technology that keeps your private keys in the browser and removes them as soon as you leave. EDIT : As soon as the cache is cleared.

Did not see it : we need better than an "inter-audit" don't you think? To convince institutions I did not even know we have different departments : what are they ?

Ala Haddad16:58:55 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Did not see it : we need better than an "inter-audit" don't you think? To convince institutions I did not even know we have different departments : what are they ?

I agree, we have a list of cryptographers and cybersecurity teams that we are working with to provide the aduit you are referring to, will keep you posted on that. We have different teams working on our various products; iOS, Andriod, Frontend, Backend, Web, QA, Data Analytics- each have expertise in security and we are confident that any security audit we run will be positive.

Moxsly17:14:13 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

So you guys could freeze the JNT i own and basically destroy it if you wanted to?

this is how the previous exchange theft of JNT was dealt with, and why the stolen JNT on etherdelta was frozen out, with stolen tokens returned (in effect, since stolen JNT were locked out and token holders were reunited with their JNT). Also an important attribute for current modern financial system compliances.

Tony Acurso17:22:44 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

The team isn't milking everyone invested by their free will

Hello admin, has the team thought of having community voted designs?

Ala Haddad17:23:03 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Hello admin, has the team thought of having community voted designs?

Hey there, what types of designs are you referring to?

Mysterious17:23:41 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think reversal transactions is needed to attract institutional clients. Expecially if they handle millions of dollars in value and can't get it back due to hack or sending to wrong address by their employees

Tony Acurso17:24:33 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hans Müller

+1 I agree on the 250k idea I like it a lot. This is market making 101 and create true value

Tony Acurso17:25:42 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Hey there, what types of designs are you referring to?

I am speaking to the other admin thans. Community designs for Jibrel Network I mean

Howard17:31:18 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Gongrats guys on the jwallet web

Mr. T17:36:49 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

time to resettle my jnt

МеtaMask17:45:38 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Ala Haddad18:11:13 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Howard

Congrats on the jwallet web guys!

Thanks, let us know if you have any suggestions or feedback!

K18:54:21 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Some more: when I try to back up wallet and insert wrong payment password I get InvalidPasswordError, seems wrong. Also if you can already rename and delete wallet in settings page you should also add backup not only in manage wallets

Moxsly19:06:05 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Some more: when I try to back up wallet and insert wrong payment password I get InvalidPasswordError, seems wrong. If you can already rename and delete wallet in settings page you should also add backup not only in manage wallets

entering the wrong password? enter the right one...

K19:07:43 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

moxly

entering the wrong password? enter the right one...

I mean the error text is literally "InvalidPasswordError", there should be a sentence there

Moxsly19:09:14 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

logically entering the wrong password would produce an error saying its incorrect...not sure the problem...

Ala Haddad19:10:31 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

I mean the error text is literally "InvalidPasswordError", there should be a sentence there

Noted, you're just suggesting improvement to user experience, correct?

K19:13:08 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Noted, you're just suggesting improvement to user experience, correct?

It looks like a mistake because it looks like a variable that usually stores the string value that should be there. That's what it looks like from a dev perspective. If that was intended, I believe it should be changed to something like a sentence "Wrong password, try again" or something

Ala Haddad19:13:31 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks for pointing that out :thum

Moxsly19:14:26 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Ah ok, user experience aspects, gotcha

K19:16:38 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In digital assets list in the main page, asset manager button in top right and the + square you can click to add an asset do the same thing. It's a little redundant

K19:18:02 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You can add as a small detail an x button in the top right of each asset square to quickly remove an asset, and get rid of asset manager

K19:22:36 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is what I mean when I say asset square in case it's not clear

Ala Haddad19:46:22 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's a good suggestion, makes it smoother in my personal opinion, let me see what the team thinks about that 🙂

Jiri19:54:13 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

jteam, Good Job!

Ala Haddad20:00:59 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kubinajiri

jteam, Good Job!

🙏

Marky20:44:02 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

and yet you have to explain them such a basic thing. Must be a nice development team over there huh?

Ala Haddad20:50:29 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

and yet you have to explain them such a basic thing. Must be a nice development team over there huh?

Hey Marky, thanks for the comment, but I don't see how a spelling/diction error shows how good a development team is.

Marky20:51:48 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's not just a spelling error.

K20:53:05 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

and yet you have to explain them such a basic thing. Must be a nice development team over there huh?

I explained to the admin and the community manager, not the dev team

Ala Haddad20:54:24 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

partylikeits99

It's not just a spelling error.

Instead of : "InvalidPassword" we should have, "Invalid password, please try again". How is that a development error and not a language error? Anyway, thank you for the comment again and we'll try to avoid those mistakes in our next release.

K20:59:02 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

I'll explain a little. When you build a website, the sentences and words you see in the browser are not put straight into HTML, they are stored in variables. Variables are something like this: InvalidPasswordError:"The password you entered is invalid"

K20:59:24 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Where you have a variable for every text region in the site

Ala Haddad21:00:10 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I understand- apparently it was a slip and we'll fix it. Thank you again @UppercaseK , always providing valuable input whether its a suggestion or a criticism and it's always appreciated.

K21:01:52 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So in the code if you want to display that sentence, you put the variable and in the browser it will appear as a sentence. When there are errors with the way you handled the variable, the sentence that you wanted to display will not appear and instead you will see the variable name on your screen

K21:02:30 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So in this case, it looks like InvalidPasswordError is a variable name which should contain an actual sentence there

K21:03:00 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

I understand- apparently it was a slip and we'll fix it. Thank you again @UppercaseK , always providing valuable input whether its a suggestion or a criticism and it's always appreciated.

Already started my rant, couldn't stop. No problem, what helps you, helps me.

Mayer21:03:33 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When will integrate jwallet and jcash? Furthermore, Is it possible to launch regardless of regulation?

Ala Haddad21:06:20 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

postsooner

When will integrate jwallet and jcash? Furthermore, Is it possible to launch regardless of regulation?

It's a top priority for the team, the integration will be live as soon as the final tweaks are polished and ready. For the best usecases of our stablecoin, basic regulation is necessary and we are actively working on achieving that and incorporating our solutions in our products.

R🇳

Ronald 🇳🇱21:14:06 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/JSCAelH_iuk

Mayer21:14:39 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Even if the development is completed, May the release of an integrated product be postponed due to regulatory issues?

Ala Haddad21:16:38 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jcash's initial develpoiment is complete, the integrations are under development while regulatory obstacles in certain regions are still work in progress.

Anthony22:01:04 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have not checked tg in a while

Anthony22:01:31 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There's 600 messages from all the way back to Feb 15th

Anthony22:01:42 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Did I miss anything important about jnt?

Ala Haddad22:02:07 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We just released http://app.jwallet.network

Anthony22:42:24 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought the jwallet was already released a long time ago?

Bk 13 [$JNT]22:47:34 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JackBacon

I thought the jwallet was already released a long time ago?

This is the last web version ....

Mayer23:05:27 - 19 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JackBacon

I thought the jwallet was already released a long time ago?

it was alpha. this is 2.0

Anthony00:11:19 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is there anything different about it or is it significant because the team now has enough confidence in it to make it generally available?

Ala Haddad00:18:35 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JackBacon

Is there anything different about it or is it significant because the team now has enough confidence in it to make it generally available?

Significant security updates, revamped user experience

Dale Wallace01:07:05 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Will the web wallet evetually be compatible with hardware wallets?

Sean Lo01:32:13 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is there a clear objective advantage in using jWallet over metamask?

Sean Lo01:32:51 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please, no subjective opinions. What can i do in jWallet that i can't in metamask?

Mayer01:39:40 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sean Lo

Is there a clear objective advantage in using jWallet over metamask?

If integrate with jcash, They can say clearly "we have an advantage over metamask".

Tony Acurso02:33:24 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hope the team is keeping track of every public address so they can issue airdrops to users who hold X amount of JNT in a wallet created by the Jwallet if you know what I mean

Tony Acurso02:34:23 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And we really need designs please admin @MicrosomesDirector

Tony Acurso02:34:36 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's an urgent matter

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José Mateos11:04:06 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I need to speak with Talal

Talal Tabbaa11:28:40 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

I need to speak with Talal

Hello José ! How can I help?

José Mateos11:28:58 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ttabbaa

Hello José ! How can I help?

Please DM me.

Еthеrеum11:39:06 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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TsarBuig12:11:31 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We all need to speak with Talal 😂

sir12:13:28 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The price is so low, Why not take out some of the funds to buy back？So strange

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netsir

The price is so low, Why not take out some of the funds to buy back？So strange

What good would that do?

Tony Acurso12:26:01 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

What good would that do?

Bring more investors because the price is going up

Tony Acurso12:26:16 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Give attention to the project. It is smart

Ali12:32:40 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not really - why do you need more investors? What we need is product development and marketing that goes with it, which the team is working on

Ali12:33:26 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If Jibrel is making a profit one day, then maybe it might be a smart thing to do - similar to stock buybacks but at this stage, it’s completely useless

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K14:24:35 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At this point, it's just recycling ico investors money. I wouldn't mind either since it would put me in 100% green, but it's just a dumb thing to do

José Mateos14:46:33 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

We all need to speak with Talal 😂

You joke but he DM me

Suрроrt16:19:42 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Tony Acurso17:42:26 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

Not really - why do you need more investors? What we need is product development and marketing that goes with it, which the team is working on

That's the best way to market bro. When you see 10-20% gains daily and release it with good news then people believe its going up because of the fundamentals

Tony Acurso17:42:59 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Fundamentally is project is good, but the price doesn't reflect it because there is no market making like all the other projects do

TsarBuig18:32:22 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

**Question about Jwallet** Guys, there is something I don't understand about Jwallet : - the title of the app is "Ethereum & ERC20 wallet" - but in the app, you seem to be able to manage other tokens, like EOS or ICX... --> what is this wallet able to manage !? That's a HUGE communication issue guys...

Ala Haddad19:07:26 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Question about Jwallet Guys, there is something I don't understand about Jwallet : - the title of the app is "Ethereum & ERC20 wallet" - but in the app, you seem to be able to manage other tokens, like EOS or ICX... --> what is this wallet able to manage !? That's a HUGE communication issue guys... @arhadd @Yazan15

Hey there, we are removing them ASAP.

anony21:20:31 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Few months back when Jwallet development begun EOS and ICX were ERC20 tokens but now they are on their own blockchain since launching their mainnet so they need to be removed from Jwallet

Denis M22:08:57 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

悠真 .

Sketchy

Еtherеum22:19:56 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Tony Acurso22:41:02 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello @MicrosomesDirector what is the Jibrel team working on right now?

Tony Acurso22:53:42 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This project needs a meme contest

Tony Acurso22:54:00 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It could bring a lot of new people to do memes and we can have a new sticker pack

David23:00:14 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I see talal quoted in here: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/02/20/kucoins-leaked-volume-boosting-packages-offers-draw-accusations-of-wash-trading/

Genry23:01:15 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello, I wanted to share with you interesting news, who is interested, go to the link, explain everything in detail

Ala Haddad23:08:44 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Hello @MicrosomesDirector what is the Jibrel team working on right now?

Hey Tony, we are working on many different things; including improving our product offering, working with institutions for customizing solutions based on their needs. Check out our latest Medium updates for an overview.

Bk 13 [$JNT]23:10:59 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

crebbo

I see talal quoted in here: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/02/20/kucoins-leaked-volume-boosting-packages-offers-draw-accusations-of-wash-trading/

Tks for sharing....

Mayer23:40:16 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.coindesk.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-includes-private-crypto-key-storage

Mayer23:40:23 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.ccn.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-bitcoin-crypto-support

Tony Acurso00:26:09 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Ok I hope the team is not lying to us and working for banks on our backs. I hope the focus is always on JNT because that's what we paid for

TsarBuig00:28:49 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Hey there, we are removing them ASAP.

- Those tokens have launched their mainnet several monthes ago - You've updated Jwallet recently, and did not even thought about removing them !? **Guys, this is a disaster, your Jwallet is dangerous and could make people lose money, just remove it from Play Store until you've updated it !!**

Ala Haddad00:41:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

- Those tokens have launched their mainnet several monthes ago - You've updated Jwallet recently, and did not even thought about removing them !? Guys, this is a disaster, your Jwallet is dangerous and could make people lose money, just remove it from Play Store until you've updated it !!

Hey there, actually, EOS and ICX both have different types addresses and you would not be able to send them, you would only be able to do so with tokens that have not been swapped, which keeps your ERC20 tokens safe.

Ala Haddad00:41:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

While you do have a point, I wouldn’t call it much of a disaster; this will be fixed immediately and we explicitly deal with ethereum and erc20 tokens. Thanks for keeping us in check 😰

TsarBuig00:46:29 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Stop trying to minimize the problem : that's a HUGE issue, any wallet released on the market should have a proper list of assets that it can handle Actually, this is the biggest issue a wallet could have : mislead people on tokens it can handle I'm out guys, dont believe in this project anymore

Ala Haddad00:47:33 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

You’re absolutely right and we acknowledged our problem and already in progress of fixing it.

Ala Haddad00:49:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We’re sorry it came off that way and hope to avoid this in the future. I hope you keep checking in for updates and news!

TsarBuig00:53:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

You’re absolutely right and we acknowledged our problem and already in progress of fixing it.

Guys, you have 35 people in this project and nobody realized that before me !? It's been months since those tokens released their mainnet, took me 2 minutes to realize that

TsarBuig00:53:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/basis-stablecoin-shuts-down-refunds-133m-in-raised-capital-due-to-regulatory-issues/

TsarBuig00:54:02 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

--> this is what I want : REFUND !

Sean Lo01:28:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tsar, your behavior is appalling. Either check back when the bull market is in full swing or leave the channel permanently like a gentleman without throwing tantrums.

Tony Acurso01:29:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Guys, you have 35 people in this project and nobody realized that before me !? It's been months since those tokens released their mainnet, took me 2 minutes to realize that

This is so true. The team hired so many QA people. What is the team working on? Are those people even real?

Tony Acurso01:29:13 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sean Lo

Tsar, your behavior is appalling. Either check back when the bull market is in full swing or leave the channel permanently like a gentleman without throwing tantrums.

Lol ok shill

TsarBuig01:31:40 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sean Lo

Tsar, your behavior is appalling. Either check back when the bull market is in full swing or leave the channel permanently like a gentleman without throwing tantrums.

Sean, what do you do for this project apart shilling it as a blindfolded guy ? Did you try to use Jwallet ? What do you think of what I just discovered? Isn't it a shockingly big mistake?

Tony Acurso01:32:28 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is why I have a strong feeling the team is no working for JNT..... They are working for Jibrel. Also Jibrel hired so many python devs... What for? Seriously why do you need python devs?

Tony Acurso01:34:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You need web based devs with experience in Node, PHP, Spring or whatever back end you use and react, angular, or whichever front end you use. But every hire is python developers!!!! Wtf is going on here?

Ala Haddad01:44:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Hey, our team is full of different backgrounds and expertise in what is required to build what we are trying to, having expertise in python does not mean the hire only knows python. Although I appreciate the feedback and criticism I would love it if we stick to reality and not over-blow things out of proportion. We will reflect this change on the wallet. The issue with the tokens will be solved and we ask all wallet users not to try sending native mainnet EOS or ICX (different address types to Ethereum)(which should show an error if entering an Ethereum address using EOS or ICX wallets, in all cases). Thank you and I invite you to leave more feedback about other things.

Tony Acurso01:58:10 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

Yes but pretty much ever developer you have hired has multiple years of experience with python, and it's featured as their main skill. What are you building with python? Why didn't you hire devs with focused expertise on web-dev languages?

Tony Acurso01:59:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/basis-stablecoin-shuts-down-refunds-133m-in-raised-capital-due-to-regulatory-issues/

Im sorry but this is what honest founders are like. When they see that what they do is not possible they refund without wasting people's money

Roger Vertcoin02:03:20 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

--> this is what I want : REFUND !

Ala Haddad02:08:17 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Im sorry but this is what honest founders are like. When they see that what they do is not possible they refund without wasting people's money

We are confident about what we are doing :)

Tony Acurso02:28:39 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arhadd

We are confident about what we are doing :)

I am confident that I am 6ft but the reality is that I'm 5'10

Tony Acurso02:28:49 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What you're saying doesn't mean anything

Tony Acurso02:37:35 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I want to see this confidence reflected in the price of JNT, not hot air confidence

Tony Acurso02:38:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You guys asked for so much money. Why? What are going to do with it? Drain it for 10 years? We didn't invest to give you guys a salary for 10 years. We want returns

TsarBuig03:01:06 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

You guys asked for so much money. Why? What are going to do with it? Drain it for 10 years? We didn't invest to give you guys a salary for 10 years. We want returns

+1000

Adrian Vinovrski03:14:39 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Have you guys ever considered practicing a bit of patience? Apple share prices literally spent 10 years bouncing between 50c and $2... Maybe the fact that we've given them enough to keep going that long with the way they handle their funds is a blessing in disguise lol

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TsarBuig03:25:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

AdrianV54

Dude, do you think Apple just tells its investors "hey guys, we're really confident in what we're doing" during those 10 years ? No. They give infos, proofs of what they're doing, they develop real products, they have roadmap, updated website... What a naive investor you are

Adrian Vinovrski03:30:32 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Dude, do you think Apple just told its investors "hey guys, we're really confident in what we're doing" during those 10 years ? No. They give infos, proofs of what they're doing, they develop real products, they have roadmap, updated website... What a naive investor you are

I'm not sure if you know this, but the team posts monthly updates regarding their progress and what they're doing, let me know if you want a link or can't find them :) Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think apple constantly posted proof/ updated the webpage every 27 minutes in their first year of operation.

TsarBuig03:34:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

AdrianV54

Ok, so tell me : those products have been delayed, for when ? When is the new release date ?

TsarBuig03:37:33 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@AdrianV54 I'm waiting for your answer

Adrian Vinovrski03:38:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

@AdrianV54 I'm waiting for your answer

Soon my dude, the answer is soon

TsarBuig03:39:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have other questions for you :

TsarBuig03:40:32 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

2/ how do you about the big, big mistake I found in Jwallet? (Listing tokens the wallet cannot manage)

TsarBuig03:41:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3/ can you explain me what is Jibrel Search ? What is it used for ?

TsarBuig03:41:32 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

4/ can you tell me what Marketing jibrel did this last month ?

TsarBuig03:52:48 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Adrian, I have lost you?

Ali04:12:34 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

@AdrianV54 I'm waiting for your answer

How about the 35 members of the team spend all their time here on telegram answering your (mostly stupid) requests? Then you’ll be happy that oh yes there is progress... And what the hell does price have to do with success of a product in this market and at this stage? Dogecoin was making 1,000s% returns a year ago - I’m really impressed by their product! Just go away my friend... either that or just have someone kick him out. It’s just becoming parasitic.

Mayer04:13:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How do i sign out on jwallet web?

Mayer04:30:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can't find sign out anywhere.

Jimmy RUssle04:43:30 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

Kind of agree with the 'kick him out' sentiment. But don't agree with the 'impressed with the product' sentiment, at least when the orginial roadmap had the entire ecosystem being live in Q3. We went from expecting a fully decentralized system for tokenizing assets to a web wallet......comparisons to the success of dogecoin don't really inspire confidence.

Ali04:46:12 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

The point was not to compare to dogecoin success but to say that coon price and product are two different things... agree with the need for a roadmap and a more and more successful suite of products / offering

TsarBuig04:53:30 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ahabha

Where do you see me talking about the price ? Ok, I said I want to be refund (that's true) but I'm mainly focusing on the product : I want real proof of work (roadmap, usable product, etc.) Let's talk about you Ali : what do you bring to the project? Did you give any feedback? Did you find some bugs on the wallet like I did ? No : nothing, apart criticizing me and asking to kick me I know I'm a "ball breaker" but at least I give feedback and actually try the only product we have : Jwallet

Jimmy RUssle04:57:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There's definitely a correclation between price and mismanagement. I was just looking at the jibrel subreddit and they were still standing behind solvency as late as early december. Casually slipping it in that it was no longer functional with no backup plan in place was really not a good look. The fact that they have 30+ people ostensibly working towards some products without offering up a new roadmap is way past 'concernig'. Sentiment is at 'abandon all hope ye who enter here levels'.

TsarBuig05:05:00 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jimmy RUssle

Well said

Chasethechaser05:06:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

Invests in a blockchain company and loses his mind when he does't make $1 million profit in a year. This game is clearly not for you my friend. Thought you said you were leaving anyway!? If you say your leaving then GTFO and don't come back.

Jimmy RUssle05:17:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Expecting a refund is unreasonable, but asking for accountability and a clear outline of future plans seems pretty reasonable. IT's been two months since they dropped an absolute bombshell on us and I've we gotten is damage control, coachspeak, and deflection— 'the team is working hard to deliver value' etc. I beliece that Yazan and co. are honest, which is probably the most concering thing.... because I think if they had an idea of how they planned to go forward they'd have shared it by now. I realize that holding a token gives me know rights and I knew this going in. But I put my money in based on use case and tokenomics. Both of those are basically gone in the wind and I'm stuck in a state of limbo until this gets resolved.

K06:51:14 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's clear what's coming next: Jsearch and Jcash integrated in wallet

K06:51:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Here's your roadmap

K06:53:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hopefully by the end of Q1

TsarBuig06:55:09 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UppercaseK

Hopefully by the end of Q1

Dude, thank you, but I want to hear it from the team 👍

K07:00:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jcash integration over this quarter is from the last update if I remember correctly

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)07:02:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

Python is used for the Web as well.

Marky07:07:54 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TsarBuig

This is true. It looks like it was developed by the people who have no idea what's going on in the space and there is no-one to check for their mistakes. Conclusions are very sad and I don't see how they will be able to develop more advanced tools

Marky07:09:25 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I am not even saying about spelling or ui mistakes, whoever pushed it for public release is out of his mind

Marky07:10:30 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Will you consider buying back tokens @ttabbaa @arhadd ?

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Jason08:33:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

Python is used for the Web as well.

Python is pretty slow compared

Jason08:34:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To say c

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José Mateos11:33:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's a shame the team doesn't even know what they are doing

José Mateos11:33:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I am angry about it

Chasethechaser11:49:14 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The team knows exactly what they are doing. Working within the confines of the law.

sir11:58:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There are quite a lot of transactions today.

Dale Wallace12:08:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

It's a shame the team doesn't even know what they are doing

You don't know what the team is doing, there is a difference.

José Mateos12:09:20 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

chasethechaser

The team knows exactly what they are doing. Working within the confines of the law.

And not within the confines of investor's interest

Dale Wallace12:18:17 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

And not within the confines of investor's interest

Which inestors? the patient ones? or the children?

José Mateos12:18:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

All of them

Tony Acurso12:24:12 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

AdrianV54

Bro we just want a clear direction where Jibrel is doing with JNT. I bet you Apple didn't ask their investors to find a usecase for JNT. If JNT cant be successful then offer us a buy back program ffs. I believe in Jibrel 1000% don't get me wrong. I just want a fucking use case for JNT WHICH IS INEXISTENT!

Dale Wallace12:24:48 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

All of them

Why would apple look for a use case for JNT?

José Mateos12:25:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dale Wallace

Why would apple look for a use case for JNT?

Apple does not invest in JNT

Evan12:25:26 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Talal is quoted in the recent The Block newsletter 😎 gj team

Tony Acurso12:25:51 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dale Wallace

Why would apple look for a use case for JNT?

Corrected

Dale Wallace12:26:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Didn't Apple make most their money from switch from PC production into Iphones?

José Mateos12:27:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dale Wallace

Didn't Apple make most their money from switch from PC production into Iphones?

No....

Dale Wallace12:27:35 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They changed their strategy based on the evolving market.

José Mateos12:27:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Apple do Mac hahahahaaha

José Mateos12:27:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not PC

José Mateos12:27:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't know what you talk about Dale

José Mateos12:28:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please read before saying things

Tony Acurso12:28:20 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jibrel can have a partnership with Walmart and have just have 1 person buy their products. What guarantee do you have that the products you use will have a usecase? Give us the numbers you expect, the profit you expect to make and how much will be added in JNT

Dale Wallace12:28:22 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

PC = personal computer in my country

José Mateos12:28:30 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dale Wallace

PC = personal computer in my country

Ireland?

Dale Wallace12:28:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos12:28:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Scotland

Tony Acurso12:28:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If it's building products to have 10$ added in the market share of JNT these parterships are useless!

Tony Acurso12:29:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I can't believe some people

Dale Wallace12:29:11 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

José Mateos

Scotland

nope

Dale Wallace12:29:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

doesn't change the fact apple now make 60% of there money from their Iphone which were not their original business plan.

Tony Acurso12:42:28 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

Python is used for the Web as well.

Toplol ok my friend. I can also develop a website with the "brainfuck" language. My point is that python is not the best tool to build a website with, and I'm positive they know it. So what are they building?

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Andrew12:55:34 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this project still alibe?

Andrew12:55:36 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

alive?

K13:03:16 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tony Acurso

This guy's software development knowledge lol

Denis M13:04:13 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please guys... Little nicer

nick nickolodeon13:21:39 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

anytime soon, may be in a month or 2, we will skyrocket!

nick nickolodeon13:21:57 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i've been holding my coins for several months now

Damon13:33:35 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Korea's S10 smartphone came out. Samsung has launched a blockchain wallet

Damon13:36:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is a video about the portion of the Galaxy S10 that contains the private key purse. It will give a lot of trouble to existing companies offering wallet services, but S10 really makes many people potential wallet users. These parts can be very helpful for billing, Dapp, etc.

Damon13:38:35 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Galaxy S10 is now available with more features and benefits than the iphone. What can Jibel do?

Damon13:39:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as an investor who invested in Ico in mid 2017 which is very worrisome ... 😭😭😭

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Tony Acurso

This project needs a meme contest

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)15:33:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jrc88

this project still alibe?

very much alive

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sir15:35:19 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

MicrosomesDirector

very much alive

Example

Ala Haddad15:35:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

Example

Good morning 🙂

sir15:35:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry，late at night

The King Microsomes (Jibrel Mod)15:42:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

netsir

Sorry，late at night

Good night have a good sleep 👍🏻😊

Ala Haddad16:01:22 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone, I hope you're doing well. I went through the overnight messages and I noted all feedback, if anyone has any further concerns, please do let me know. At this stage, some points are being repeated over and over with no benefit to Jibrel's progress and the tokenholders time. While I do agree about needing some clarity moving forward, stating expectations and exact times are a sticky situation that we are trying our best to maneuver and finalize. I would love to be able to give you smaller details about what we are doing, who we are talking to, and our plans moving forward but it's still work in progress, and whenever we are able to give updates we will happily do so. For now, our build out of our basic building block of our ecosystem, the Jwallets, are nearing full completion ( albeit with improvements and development along the way) and we are excited to move forward with incorporating our other products, as well as customizing solutions to institutions. On a personal level, I am happy to entertain all criticism and feedback no matter what shape or form, but for the sake of the community's health, it's been a hassle trying to convey clear messages when there is repitition of messages that sometimes have no link to reality and are mainly done to attack the team. Moving forward, I will continue to answer every and all valid concerns but will try to avoid incessant requests that have been addressed and that are not adding much value.

Jimmy16:25:26 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Very important in base collateral maybe in order... https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/33410/imf-wonks-suggest-separate-cash-and-e-money-to-enable-negative-interest-rates

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